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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 245: Delecto the Funky Mormon Senator
red sox 777 10/25/19 1:10:58 PM #460:	Corrik7 posted... red sox 777 posted... I hear a lot of bluffing and puffery there. But you are ignoring the substance of what I said - which is that things would be different if the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan did not identify as Chinese. They always have, which is why they never tried for independence even when China was in a weaker position that it is now and probably would have let them go for the right price. Just admit you are wrong. Corrik, I am (American) Chinese. Most of my family is in China. I have a family member who had a fairly high position in the government before retiring. You have no idea what you are talking about. They said they could roll in the tanks. Why didn't they? Because it would undermine the image and world position they have worked so hard to build since Mao's death in 1976 - that of a reasonable, practical, country that is reliable and above all does not tell other countries what they can and can't do. And it would undermine foreign investment in China and trade with China. In the earlier years (70s-90s) China was still a dirt poor country and needed foreign investment very badly. In 1984 Shenzhen (the city right across the border from Hong Kong) consisted mostly of rice paddies. Shenzhen has a higher GDP than Hong Kong today (lower per capita, but higher by virtue of greater population - though of course in the 80s HK had a way higher population too as Shenzhen didn't exist as a city yet)! My parents sent home remittances from their grad student income here in the 1980s, which is sort of unthinkable today. So why didn't China roll tanks into Hong Kong and Macau in the 80s? Because it was not in their interest to do so. Not worth the risk when they had a vision for a much richer, greater, future. Notice that Portugal ultimately got the same result with Macau that Britain did with HK (the original lease return date was honored) without any of Thatcher's imperialist blustering. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929226281] in Politics C... [t:78102409]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>I hear a lot of bluffing and puffery there. But you are ignoring the substance of what I said - which is that things would be different if the people of Hong Kong and Taiwan did not identify as Chinese. They always have, which is why they never tried for independence even when China was in a weaker position that it is now and probably would have let them go for the right price.</quote>Just admit you are wrong. </quote> Corrik, I am (American) Chinese. Most of my family is in China. I have a family member who had a fairly high position in the government before retiring. You have no idea what you are talking about. They said they could roll in the tanks. Why didn't they? Because it would undermine the image and world position they have worked so hard to build since Mao's death in 1976 - that of a reasonable, practical, country that is reliable and above all does not tell other countries what they can and can't do. And it would undermine foreign investment in China and trade with China. In the earlier years (70s-90s) China was still a dirt poor country and needed foreign investment very badly. In 1984 Shenzhen (the city right across the border from Hong Kong) consisted mostly of rice paddies. Shenzhen has a higher GDP than Hong Kong today (lower per capita, but higher by virtue of greater population - though of course in the 80s HK had a way higher population too as Shenzhen didn't exist as a city yet)! My parents sent home remittances from their grad student income here in the 1980s, which is sort of unthinkable today. So why didn't China roll tanks into Hong Kong and Macau in the 80s? Because it was not in their interest to do so. Not worth the risk when they had a vision for a much richer, greater, future. Notice that Portugal ultimately got the same result with Macau that Britain did with HK (the original lease return date was honored) without any of Thatcher's imperialist blustering. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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