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Topic	Do you believe Jesus existed?
paerarru 10/11/19 2:23:58 PM #50:	Thunder_Armor posted... The idea of a prophesied Messiah had been established hundreds of years before Jesus. Do I think there was a Jewish man who gained a following circa 30 AD for being the prophesied Messiah? Yeah, I think that probably happened. Notwithstanding how many of the Biblical stories were embellished on after the fact. This is a good post. You have to look at the Gospels and the accounts of the Apostles and the followers of Jesus in the right light to understand what they're doing. Yeah, there were other Messianic figures throughout history, more or less documented, even around the time of Jesus himself. That should tell you not that Jesus is a hodgepodge of Messianic figures (not historically at least), but rather that he was eventually the most successful one. To date. Nobody would just make up a Messiah, and actually gather a following, but they could make up stories about him (or not, depending on how strong and literal your faith is). But you need the guy. He was a cult leader, the guy. A religion is a well established cult. Is there something special about this cult that sets it apart from any other cult? Well, that part is faith. Hotel_Security posted... He quite likely existed. This isn't really disputed. Christianity didn't just pop up out of nowhere and there's even mention of various rabble going on in Jerusalem in ancient Roman writings during Nero's reign. Heck, some try to blame Nero for killing Jesus (he's not very popular) but it's likely he had little knowledge of the details. It's just the whole "he's the Son of God" thing that is more in question. no because nobody who has such legends written about him existed. You're right. That legend about the guy who cut down the apple tree is totally fake so he must be not real. Yeah, that's silly. People make up stories about people all the time. Been doing it all through history. And back in the day when people were more superstitious (I actually don't like saying that because it's not like people were more gullible or anything, it's just that people didn't have much science) you could get away with some pretty wild stories. I actually think most of the mythological figures and pantheons throughout the world were real people and events, just very embellished after the fact. There are often real bases for "myths". --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk <cite>paerarru posted [p:928637184] in Do you bel... [t:78077035]...</cite> <quote>Thunder_Armor posted...</cite> <quote>The idea of a prophesied Messiah had been established hundreds of years before Jesus. Do I think there was a Jewish man who gained a following circa 30 AD for being the prophesied Messiah? Yeah, I think that probably happened. Notwithstanding how many of the Biblical stories were embellished on after the fact.</quote> This is a good post. You have to look at the Gospels and the accounts of the Apostles and the followers of Jesus in the right light to understand what they're doing. Yeah, there were other Messianic figures throughout history, more or less documented, even around the time of Jesus himself. That should tell you not that Jesus is a hodgepodge of Messianic figures (not historically at least), but rather that he was eventually the most successful one. To date. Nobody would just make up a Messiah, and actually gather a following, but they could make up stories about him (or not, depending on how strong and literal your faith is). But you need the guy. He was a cult leader, the guy. A religion is a well established cult. Is there something special about this cult that sets it apart from any other cult? Well, that part is faith. Hotel_Security posted...</cite> <quote>He quite likely existed. This isn't really disputed. Christianity didn't just pop up out of nowhere and there's even mention of various rabble going on in Jerusalem in ancient Roman writings during Nero's reign. Heck, some try to blame Nero for killing Jesus (he's not very popular) but it's likely he had little knowledge of the details. It's just the whole "he's the Son of God" thing that is more in question. no because nobody who has such legends written about him existed. You're right. That legend about the guy who cut down the apple tree is totally fake so he must be not real.</quote> Yeah, that's silly. People make up stories about people all the time. Been doing it all through history. And back in the day when people were more superstitious (I actually don't like saying that because it's not like people were more gullible or anything, it's just that people didn't have much science) you could get away with some pretty wild stories. I actually think most of the mythological figures and pantheons throughout the world were real people and events, just very embellished after the fact. There are often real bases for "myths". --- Hottest K-Pop Girl Group http://challonge.com/96st4ysk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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