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Topic	Star Wars reimagined
ParanoidObsessive 10/02/19 12:38:54 PM #6:	I'm going with the Plinkett argument on this one - people who want lightsaber fights to be super-choreographed and whine about the fight in the original movie being "lame" sort of miss the entire point. A fight between an old man and a broken down quadriplegic robot guy shouldn't look all that impressive. Especially if you assume half the fight is them trying to out-think and out-Force each other, which isn't really a visible thing. I get more out of the fight in the original movie as-is than I do any of the fights in the prequels. I'm not saying the original fight is perfect - but I think if you actually want to add to it and improve it, the answer isn't to dip into Stage Combat 201 for more advanced maneuvers, it's to expand the dialogue between the characters. Have them comment on their shared past. Have them mention how they're struggling against each other on levels beyond the physical. Have Obi-Wan express both guilt and regret, but also determination and condemnation of what Vader has become. Have Vader be somewhat mocking, casually trying to determine why Obi-Wan has finally chosen NOW as the time for their final battle, feeling out whether or not he might have an ulterior motive (which in turn sets in motion Vader's eventual discovery of Luke). A lot of this is easy to rewrite in hindsight, though. Lucas couldn't really do all that much at the time, considering he didn't even know the backstory himself, and had no real idea he'd eventually make multiple prequel films (no matter how much he lies about it now). It wouldn't really be possible for him to elaborate on their interaction all that much... and even if he could have, he probably shouldn't have - it honestly would have drawn the focus away from the person who was supposed to be the main hero of the movie anyway. Obi-Wan is the mentor figure who exists to set the hero on the road to adventure, and then die so that the hero has to stand on their own. The story isn't really about him, or whatever relationship he might have once had with Vader. The prequels ruin that dynamic, but then again, the prequels are also terrible. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:928234747] in Star Wars ... [t:78056845]...</cite> <quote>I'm going with the Plinkett argument on this one - people who want lightsaber fights to be super-choreographed and whine about the fight in the original movie being "lame" sort of miss the entire point. A fight between an old man and a broken down quadriplegic robot guy shouldn't look all that impressive. Especially if you assume half the fight is them trying to out-think and out-Force each other, which isn't really a visible thing. I get more out of the fight in the original movie as-is than I do any of the fights in the prequels. I'm not saying the original fight is perfect - but I think if you actually want to add to it and improve it, the answer isn't to dip into Stage Combat 201 for more advanced maneuvers, it's to expand the dialogue between the characters. Have them comment on their shared past. Have them mention how they're struggling against each other on levels beyond the physical. Have Obi-Wan express both guilt and regret, but also determination and condemnation of what Vader has become. Have Vader be somewhat mocking, casually trying to determine why Obi-Wan has finally chosen NOW as the time for their final battle, feeling out whether or not he might have an ulterior motive (which in turn sets in motion Vader's eventual discovery of Luke). A lot of this is easy to rewrite in hindsight, though. Lucas couldn't really do all that much at the time, considering he didn't even know the backstory himself, and had no real idea he'd eventually make multiple prequel films (no matter how much he lies about it now). It wouldn't really be possible for him to elaborate on their interaction all that much... and even if he could have, he probably shouldn't have - it honestly would have drawn the focus away from the person who was supposed to be the main hero of the movie anyway. Obi-Wan is the mentor figure who exists to set the hero on the road to adventure, and then die so that the hero has to stand on their own. The story isn't really about him, or whatever relationship he might have once had with Vader. The prequels ruin that dynamic, but then again, the prequels are also terrible. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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