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Topic	Politics Containment Topic #228 - Orbs you glad I didn't say banana?
red sox 777 07/03/19 7:11:53 PM #392:	Corrik7 posted... red sox 777 posted... Corrik7 posted... Though I am actually unsure of what the issue is regarding the question. I'd assume illegal immigrants don't turn one of those in. So, what would be the issue with filling it out if a minority anyways? If illegal immigrants can fill them out, then I would question why was that ever allowed in the first place? Because it would create uneven representation for states regarding the house and electoral votes based off of people who are illegally in the state and do not hold the power to even vote. The census counts all residents, whether or not they can vote. Children count. There is a question whether an illegal immigrant should count the same as a legal permanent resident (1) or the same as a tourist (0). That is absolutely insane and should never have been allowed. The creates unfair representation and actually benefits states that harbor illegals, which they should never do. Wow. Corrik, that is literally from the Constitution. Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. "Indians not taxed" are counted as 0 persons. "Free persons" are counted as 1 person. "All other persons" are counted as 3/5 of a person (this category no longer exists since the 13th Amendment eliminated the possibility of being a person who was not free). The text doesn't explicitly say whether this is limited to residents or includes anyone passing through a state on the date of the census but precedent has always held it only includes residents (so not a foreign tourist). The intention to decouple apportionment from voting eligibility is clear. Because representatives are supposed to represent all the people, while the people may in their wisdom limit voting to certain people (like we continue to disallow children from voting). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:924208879] in Politics C... [t:77826040]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote>Though I am actually unsure of what the issue is regarding the question. I'd assume illegal immigrants don't turn one of those in. So, what would be the issue with filling it out if a minority anyways? If illegal immigrants can fill them out, then I would question why was that ever allowed in the first place? Because it would create uneven representation for states regarding the house and electoral votes based off of people who are illegally in the state and do not hold the power to even vote.</quote> The census counts all residents, whether or not they can vote. Children count. There is a question whether an illegal immigrant should count the same as a legal permanent resident (1) or the same as a tourist (0).</quote> That is absolutely insane and should never have been allowed. The creates unfair representation and actually benefits states that harbor illegals, which they should never do. Wow.</quote> Corrik, that is literally from the Constitution. <quote>Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. </quote> "Indians not taxed" are counted as 0 persons. "Free persons" are counted as 1 person. "All other persons" are counted as 3/5 of a person (this category no longer exists since the 13th Amendment eliminated the possibility of being a person who was not free). The text doesn't explicitly say whether this is limited to residents or includes anyone passing through a state on the date of the census but precedent has always held it only includes residents (so not a foreign tourist). The intention to decouple apportionment from voting eligibility is clear. Because representatives are supposed to represent all the people, while the people may in their wisdom limit voting to certain people (like we continue to disallow children from voting). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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