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Topic	A Song of Ice and Fire - your favorite theories?
Freddie_Mercury 06/01/19 6:28:31 PM #22:	Doom_Art posted... @Freddie_Mercury posted... Mance sent the catspaw This is very interesting. To what end? Either to disrupt the Seven Kingdoms making passing the Wall easier or some secret involving House Stark "We found where he'd been sleeping," Robb put in. "He had ninety silver stags in a leather bag buried beneath the straw." "The Wall can stop an army, but not a man alone. I took a lute and a bag of silver, scaled the ice near Long Barrow, walked a few leagues south of the New Gift, and bought a horse. All in all I made much better time than Robert, who was traveling with a ponderous great wheelhouse to keep his queen in comfort. A day south of Winterfell I came up on him and fell in with his company. Freeriders and hedge knights are always attaching themselves to royal processions, in hopes of finding service with the king, and my lute gained me easy acceptance." Mance tells Jon in ASOS he was at Winterfell during Robert's visit and that he scaled the wall with a bag of silver. The catspaw's belongings are later found containing a bag of silver. Tyrion theorizes in ASOS that the catspaw joined the Robert's convoy the same way Mance claims he did. A grey girl on a dying horse, fleeing from her marriage. On the strength of those words he had loosed Mance Rayder and six spearwives on the north. Later in ADWD Jon sends Mance to rescue the "Arya" Melisandre saw in her visions riding on a horse towards the Wall.This ends up being Alys Karstark who arrived without Mance. A grey girl on a dying horse. Melisandre's fires had not lied, it would seem. But what had become of Mance Rayder and his spearwives? The next time we see Mance he's in Winterfell with his spearwives killing people to cause chaos for the Boltons and plotting with Theon to escape with "Arya". His alias Abel is an anagram of Bael the bard, the wilding bard legend that snuck into Winterfell, impregnated a Stark daughter, becomes King Beyond The Wall, and dies by his own son's hand who ends up continuing House Stark's line. "Mance Rayder and his spearwives had not returned, and Jon could not help but wonder whether the red woman had lied of a purpose. Is she playing her own game?" "He frowned. "And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?" "The same, I fear. Only snow." Mance is plotting something involving the North/WInterfell/"Arya". It seems like too much of a coincidence that he just happened to be in Winterfell both times when mysterious attacks were occuring. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1047 GRRM said in an old blog post that he thinks the mystery could be solved in the first two books which kinda kills this theory but he admits he could be wrong. Even if it's not true it's at least more interesting than Joffrey doing it to impress Robert. --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.com/6LCJjII.png <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:922663947] in A Song of ... [t:77755002]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Freddie_Mercury posted...</cite> <quote>Mance sent the catspaw</quote> This is very interesting. To what end?</quote> Either to disrupt the Seven Kingdoms making passing the Wall easier or some secret involving House Stark <quote> "We found where he'd been sleeping," Robb put in. "He had ninety silver stags in a leather bag buried beneath the straw." </quote> <quote>"The Wall can stop an army, but not a man alone. I took a lute and a bag of silver, scaled the ice near Long Barrow, walked a few leagues south of the New Gift, and bought a horse. All in all I made much better time than Robert, who was traveling with a ponderous great wheelhouse to keep his queen in comfort. A day south of Winterfell I came up on him and fell in with his company. Freeriders and hedge knights are always attaching themselves to royal processions, in hopes of finding service with the king, and my lute gained me easy acceptance."</quote> Mance tells Jon in ASOS he was at Winterfell during Robert's visit and that he scaled the wall with a bag of silver. The catspaw's belongings are later found containing a bag of silver. Tyrion theorizes in ASOS that the catspaw joined the Robert's convoy the same way Mance claims he did. <quote>A grey girl on a dying horse, fleeing from her marriage. On the strength of those words he had loosed Mance Rayder and six spearwives on the north. </quote> Later in ADWD Jon sends Mance to rescue the "Arya" Melisandre saw in her visions riding on a horse towards the Wall.This ends up being Alys Karstark who arrived without Mance. <quote>A grey girl on a dying horse. Melisandre's fires had not lied, it would seem. But what had become of Mance Rayder and his spearwives? </quote> The next time we see Mance he's in Winterfell with his spearwives killing people to cause chaos for the Boltons and plotting with Theon to escape with "Arya". His alias Abel is an anagram of Bael the bard, the wilding bard legend that snuck into Winterfell, impregnated a Stark daughter, becomes King Beyond The Wall, and dies by his own son's hand who ends up continuing House Stark's line. "Mance Rayder and his spearwives had not returned, and Jon could not help but wonder whether the red woman had lied of a purpose. Is she playing her own game?" "He frowned. "And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?" "The same, I fear. Only snow." Mance is plotting something involving the North/WInterfell/"Arya". It seems like too much of a coincidence that he just happened to be in Winterfell both times when mysterious attacks were occuring. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1047 GRRM said in an old blog post that he thinks the mystery could be solved in the first two books which kinda kills this theory but he admits he could be wrong. Even if it's not true it's at least more interesting than Joffrey doing it to impress Robert. --- https://i.imgtc.com/eMQvkRJ.png https://i.imgtc.com/6LCJjII.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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