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Topic	I've got a month before I enlist in the IDF
OniRonin 12/30/18 5:15:30 PM #35:	blue_composer posted... You dont have to read the article just watch the video https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-caught-at-gaza-fence-hamas-plans-riots-so-people-wont-revolt/ If I had all day I'd link you to several more but it's nearly midnight here IDF is known to misleadingly edit videos so I take this with a grain of salt. Even if it is true, I don't really see the relevance though - yes, hamas is a shitty government. I'm not disputing that by condeming the IDF https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/11/16/telegraph-reporter-reveals-lengths-israel-goes-to-in-effort-to-avoid-harming-palestinian-civilians-in-gaza-airstrikes// This is a good source. Most of the time people link me to super pro-israel stuff when I ask about this, loI I don't dispute that there are situations where the IDF takes steps to reduce casualties. There are many other situations where Israel shows a callous disregard for the lives of palestinians. Looking at sources like human rights watch, amnesty international, and UN reports the overall picture I get is one where IDF tactics (e.g. how they go about bombing civilian areas) reduce casualties, but IDF strategy (e.g. their willingness to bomb civilian areas with overwhelming force) rests on an assumption of palestinian inferiority - a willingness to trade any number of palestinian lives for a minute increase in israeli security. That's not even getting into the other issues with israeli human rights violations in gaza - denying visas and blockading medicine. I'm not sure if you disagree with me on those though There was controversy over the soldier that killed a neutralized terrorist There is always controversy about the steps the government chooses to protect or not to protect us And most importantly there was even backlash and investigations into the video you posted I agree that there was controversy. As I said before, I don't think that washes the government and its people's hands of guilt. You dont live here so all you see is one sided reporting It's true that I don't live here, but I hope I don't only see one-sided reporting. I read a lot of news. Do you have a journalist/newspaper/whatever about israel you recommend? It might sound like deflecting but if you really cared about Palestinians you should start by taking a look at how they're treated by their own government as well as looking into how they're treated in surrounding Arab countries The implication that I must be uneducated about the atrocities committed by Hamas because I speak out against israel's atrocities is a bit strange - it really doesn't occur that I might both understand and disapprove of Hamas's actions AND disapprove of responding with violence in kind? --- http://boomeressentials.com/.well-known/ https://essentialboomer.guide/robots.txt <cite>OniRonin posted [p:914937583] in I've got a... [t:77343194]...</cite> <quote><cite>blue_composer posted...</cite> <quote>You dont have to read the article just watch the video https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-caught-at-gaza-fence-hamas-plans-riots-so-people-wont-revolt/ If I had all day I'd link you to several more but it's nearly midnight here</quote> IDF is known to misleadingly edit videos so I take this with a grain of salt. Even if it is true, I don't really see the relevance though - yes, hamas is a shitty government. I'm not disputing that by condeming the IDF <quote> https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/11/16/telegraph-reporter-reveals-lengths-israel-goes-to-in-effort-to-avoid-harming-palestinian-civilians-in-gaza-airstrikes// </quote> This is a good source. Most of the time people link me to super pro-israel stuff when I ask about this, loI I don't dispute that there are situations where the IDF takes steps to reduce casualties. There are many other situations where Israel shows a callous disregard for the lives of palestinians. Looking at sources like human rights watch, amnesty international, and UN reports the overall picture I get is one where IDF tactics (e.g. how they go about bombing civilian areas) reduce casualties, but IDF strategy (e.g. their willingness to bomb civilian areas with overwhelming force) rests on an assumption of palestinian inferiority - a willingness to trade any number of palestinian lives for a minute increase in israeli security. That's not even getting into the other issues with israeli human rights violations in gaza - denying visas and blockading medicine. I'm not sure if you disagree with me on those though <quote>There was controversy over the soldier that killed a neutralized terrorist There is always controversy about the steps the government chooses to protect or not to protect us And most importantly there was even backlash and investigations into the video you posted </quote> I agree that there was controversy. As I said before, I don't think that washes the government and its people's hands of guilt. <quote> You dont live here so all you see is one sided reporting</quote> It's true that I don't live here, but I hope I don't only see one-sided reporting. I read a lot of news. Do you have a journalist/newspaper/whatever about israel you recommend? <quote>It might sound like deflecting but if you really cared about Palestinians you should start by taking a look at how they're treated by their own government as well as looking into how they're treated in surrounding Arab countries</quote> The implication that I must be uneducated about the atrocities committed by Hamas because I speak out against israel's atrocities is a bit strange - it really doesn't occur that I might both understand and disapprove of Hamas's actions AND disapprove of responding with violence in kind? --- http://boomeressentials.com/.well-known/ https://essentialboomer.guide/robots.txt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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