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Topic	Sopranos is still in the top 3 TV series of all time
The Great Muta 22 12/27/18 5:28:27 PM #29:	ChainedRedone posted... _B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted... Im watching it for the first time now. Im on season 3. I so far couldnt justify it being top 10. There is really no overreaching arcs. Most characters, while charasmatic, are rather shallow. Too much fluff. Pacing isnt too good. Its a nice show but overrated. I do appreciatw what it did for tv though I really hope nobody takes this post seriously. Josh is the biggest troll on 261 Eh, as big as a joke troll that Josh is, what he's complaining about is things I remember that people said about the show as it aired live. I didn't really start to watch it live until season 4, but: People had complained about the pacing and Chase being a bit too much of a stubborn asshole to subvert what people wanted for a long ass time. The first season or so absolutely comes out swinging in terms of pure violence and stuff that, at the time, was relatively new to television. College, for example, was the 5th episode of the series and came out in 1999! And somewhere along the way, and relatively early on, Chase got pissed off that people began rooting for Tony and to see him kill more and more people so he decided to just say 'fuck it' and seemingly slowed everything way down and tell the story he wanted to tell. During season 4 specifically people got infuriated that the big climax was the Tony/Carmela fight and fall out and not the, what seemed to be coming, the big conflict with the NY family and Carmine. And a big reason why season 5 feels different from, say 4, was Chase responding to the criticism that the show was "too slow paced" and didn't deliver the shoot em up violence that viewers grew accustom to early on. But I feel this was when he decided to jump all in on the arc of, basically, making Tony the pure asshole that everyone should hate. But the fact was Gandolfini was so damn charismatic that no matter what he tried to do, people still rooted him on. And while the slow burn of Tony becoming less and less likable reaches it's climax, imo, in the 3rd to last episode of "Kennedy and Heidi" in the last season, it didn't register to a lot of people how I felt he intended all along the way. Don't get me wrong, it's legit my favorite show in TV history and I've probably watched the entire thing through AT LEAST a half dozen times and spent hours reading opinions and synopsis's about everything along the way, but it was absolutely a show that had a disconnect between the mass audience reception and the intention of the writers. Breaking Bad, for example, didn't have nearly as much ambiguity and played with the same anti-hero and morality issues. --- https://youtu.be/zkNlmYJyFDo?t=80 "Like all fairy tales, Adam. There has to be a Hero, and there has to be a Villain." <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:914790799] in Sopranos i... [t:77338314]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...</cite> <quote>Im watching it for the first time now. Im on season 3. I so far couldnt justify it being top 10. There is really no overreaching arcs. Most characters, while charasmatic, are rather shallow. Too much fluff. Pacing isnt too good. Its a nice show but overrated. I do appreciatw what it did for tv though</quote> I really hope nobody takes this post seriously. Josh is the biggest troll on 261</quote> Eh, as big as a joke troll that Josh is, what he's complaining about is things I remember that people said about the show as it aired live. I didn't really start to watch it live until season 4, but: People had complained about the pacing and Chase being a bit too much of a stubborn asshole to subvert what people wanted for a long ass time. The first season or so absolutely comes out swinging in terms of pure violence and stuff that, at the time, was relatively new to television. College, for example, was the 5th episode of the series and came out in 1999! And somewhere along the way, and relatively early on, Chase got pissed off that people began rooting for Tony and to see him kill more and more people so he decided to just say 'fuck it' and seemingly slowed everything way down and tell the story he wanted to tell. During season 4 specifically people got infuriated that the big climax was the Tony/Carmela fight and fall out and not the, what seemed to be coming, the big conflict with the NY family and Carmine. And a big reason why season 5 feels different from, say 4, was Chase responding to the criticism that the show was "too slow paced" and didn't deliver the shoot em up violence that viewers grew accustom to early on. But I feel this was when he decided to jump all in on the arc of, basically, making Tony the pure asshole that everyone should hate. But the fact was Gandolfini was so damn charismatic that no matter what he tried to do, people still rooted him on. And while the slow burn of Tony becoming less and less likable reaches it's climax, imo, in the 3rd to last episode of "Kennedy and Heidi" in the last season, it didn't register to a lot of people how I felt he intended all along the way. Don't get me wrong, it's legit my favorite show in TV history and I've probably watched the entire thing through AT LEAST a half dozen times and spent hours reading opinions and synopsis's about everything along the way, but it was absolutely a show that had a disconnect between the mass audience reception and the intention of the writers. Breaking Bad, for example, didn't have nearly as much ambiguity and played with the same anti-hero and morality issues. --- https://youtu.be/zkNlmYJyFDo?t=80 "Like all fairy tales, Adam. There has to be a Hero, and there has to be a Villain."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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