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Anteaterking posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

Is this supposed to be a good thing?
So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.

I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite.

Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong.

There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer".

It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either.
Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil.

CyricZ posted...

If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp.

If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit.

God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards.

I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something?
The example with satire shows still stands though.
Or do you believe satire is also indulgent?
In any case, the scene includes rape here the same way horror movies include torture and murder. If you're against that that's fair but those genres exist because people enjoy the shock value. There's not much depth into it. It's simply the transgression of norms itself that excites them. That's the point of both edgy grimdark horror and offensive satire.
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