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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 191: Hey Now, You're a Lodestar
xp1337 09/14/18 4:30:19 PM #477:	red sox 777 posted... I think this isn't the model either party is using anymore. Both are trying to get the most advantageous justice possible. If Hardiman is 97% and Kavanaugh is 100%, there's no reason for the GOP to compromise to confirm him with 54 votes instead of 51. That was covered by me saying "the GOP doesn't care." But I think you've simplified it too much. I think the GOP would have preferred a smooth sailing confirmation with Hardiman over an ugly fight with Kavanaugh. The former is something they can brag about and with the veneer of bipartisan cover. The latter can come back to bite them by being a vote that is political damaging both to any vulnerable Senators (admittedly this is pretty much the cycle where that's not much of a concern) but also risks energizing an already irate Dem base. Way back at the beginning of the process, McConnell tried to threaten the Senate Dems by saying if they tried to bog down Kavanaugh he'd set the confirmation near the midterms saying it'd be helpful to the GOP to do so by depressing the Dems by giving them a "loss" going into the midterms. But he protested too much. If that truly was the case, he wouldn't be bargaining with the Dems at all, he'd just put the votes there to maximize the GOP gain. He tried to bluff them into getting this over with fast. The crux of the issue was McConnell isn't the one who got to pick the nominee. It was Trump, and Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself and so his choice was entirely based on Kavanaugh being someone who could protect him. He threw the mess into McConnell's lap without caring how it might play. It'll still get done and Kavanaugh will be confirmed, but I don't think this is the scenario the GOP wanted if they had their pick. Obama offered Garland as a compromise and the GOP bet the farm on the election in 2016, which they won. So now they get their pick. If they had lost, Hillary would get to pick and the Dem Senate confirm, anyone she wanted. You assume she wins the Senate. The Republicans were already saying before the elections they'd obstruct her picks too and not let her seat a SCOTUS justice. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:908758546] in Politics C... [t:76989412]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I think this isn't the model either party is using anymore. Both are trying to get the most advantageous justice possible. If Hardiman is 97% and Kavanaugh is 100%, there's no reason for the GOP to compromise to confirm him with 54 votes instead of 51.</quote> That was covered by me saying "the GOP doesn't care." But I think you've simplified it too much. I think the GOP would have preferred a smooth sailing confirmation with Hardiman over an ugly fight with Kavanaugh. The former is something they can brag about and with the veneer of bipartisan cover. The latter can come back to bite them by being a vote that is political damaging both to any vulnerable Senators (admittedly this is pretty much the cycle where that's not much of a concern) but also risks energizing an already irate Dem base. Way back at the beginning of the process, McConnell tried to threaten the Senate Dems by saying if they tried to bog down Kavanaugh he'd set the confirmation near the midterms saying it'd be helpful to the GOP to do so by depressing the Dems by giving them a "loss" going into the midterms. But he protested too much. If that truly was the case, he wouldn't be bargaining with the Dems at all, he'd just put the votes there to maximize the GOP gain. He tried to bluff them into getting this over with fast. The crux of the issue was McConnell isn't the one who got to pick the nominee. It was Trump, and Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself and so his choice was entirely based on Kavanaugh being someone who could protect him. He threw the mess into McConnell's lap without caring how it might play. It'll still get done and Kavanaugh will be confirmed, but I don't think this is the scenario the GOP wanted if they had their pick. <quote>Obama offered Garland as a compromise and the GOP bet the farm on the election in 2016, which they won. So now they get their pick. If they had lost, Hillary would get to pick and the Dem Senate confirm, anyone she wanted.</quote> You assume she wins the Senate. The Republicans were already saying before the elections they'd obstruct her picks too and not let her seat a SCOTUS justice. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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