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TopicWhat do you think of the MGTOW "movement"?
TheMikh
08/20/18 1:52:12 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
TheMikh posted...
MedeaLysistrata posted...
explain?


in short, some combination of social engineering, skewed economic incentives, and medical/technological developments have resulted in a radical changes in values and behavior that are driving an ongoing breakdown of more organic and (dare i say) traditional dynamics between the genders which is making both incredibly miserable and fostering relations between the two that are best characterized as mutual animus

mgtow appears to be not just a reaction to this zeitgeist, but also very much a part of it

from an individual risk mitigation standpoint it is quite reasonable, but at the societal level, it is as unsustainable as contemporary feminism

i think the modern period of human history is more or less over, but not everyone thinks that; so, i would say these observations are more so a consequence of the end of modernity rather than a consequence of modernity itself. but that is more of a semantic quibble than anything.

i definitely agree that older institutions are being eroded, challenged, contested, re-negotiated. i also want to add to your point that we are kind of in a power-vacuum period of history where there is no primary paradigm (not that there ever was one at the global level, but i assume we're talking about the western world), and we can find evidence for this in the fact that there is already more than one manosphere movement, rather then it being a united front- it's also visible in feminist diversity, and other social discourses could probably be piled on as further evidence.

i'm really interested in what the historical period that follows from modernism is going to look like. postmodernity on its own is more of a negation of modernity than its own entity, and i suppose that is what has led to this ideological vacuum we are experiencing.

also, though, i get the sense that a lot of the tension between the genders is mostly just because of the internet and how much time we spend on it. people are more 'modern' offline than online.

well stated.

it's not implausible, in my opinion, that the ideological decentralization could prove permanent as decentralized mediums of discourse challenge that of more centralized institutions.

meanwhile, the more centralized manifestations of the aforementioned artificial skewing of incentives and social engineering will arguably collapse or shift at some point

while this will not restore traditional ideals that more reactionary types advocate for (now will the ideals of their opposites reign supreme), there will indeed be an organic renegotiation of values that proves more sustainable. the process by which this is accomplished will likely be as chaotic as the breakdown of the old order, albeit more incremental.
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