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Topic	Do you think Unions are a good thing or a bad thing overall?
Zeus 08/09/18 2:47:10 PM #31:	Mead posted... My wife was saying though that unions can make her job difficult since an employee can do their job poorly or wrong but it can be very difficult to terminate them from their position if they are a union member as opposed to a non-union person. Ive certainly heard about that happening before and it does seem wrong. The rubber room policies for teachers unions are a perfect example, since some school districts would have suspended teachers (often accused sex offenders) receiving full pay while either performing light administrative work or functionally doing nothing. It's a process that usually drags on for years thanks to union protections that delay a judgment. Come to think of it, most egregious union stories involve teachers unions which, as far as unions go, are also the most superfluous anyway. Mead posted... Ive never dealt with unions myself so Im coming from a mostly ignorant place, but it seems like an issue that just about everybody has strong opinions about. What does potd think about them? Most of people I've met over the years who have dealt with unions have spoken unfavorably of them (whereas most of the people who praised them not only hadn't worked union and, humorously enough, one of the biggest advocates was a guy who was still unsuccessfully struggled to get into one). This includes an aunt who was intimidated by union reps coming to her home and trespassing because they were pushing to unionize her workplace and she wasn't onboard, qualified young workers who fell victim to the last in/first out system (including teachers with greater qualifications than their peers with seniority), people who voted in unions for their workplaces, etc. ParanoidObsessive posted... They served a good purpose once, but they can also do far more harm than good in the modern environment. Ultimately, I think where a given union falls on the spectrum depends entirely on the union/industry. Some are much better or worse than others. This. And a large part of it has been the shift from private-sector unions (which were regulating legitimate safety issues, etc) to public sector unions which bloat taxpayer expenses while lowering the quality of those services. ferko420 posted... Union became obsolete when osha was created. It certainly resolved a lot of the original underlying motivation for creating unions. Sarcasthma posted... What the fuck, guys, onions are great. Except red onions, because fuck those troll onions. pedro45 posted... How many people that hate union dues also hate paying taxes? Does anybody enjoy paying taxes? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:906573256] in Do you thi... [t:76882786]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>My wife was saying though that unions can make her job difficult since an employee can do their job poorly or wrong but it can be very difficult to terminate them from their position if they are a union member as opposed to a non-union person. Ive certainly heard about that happening before and it does seem wrong.</quote> The rubber room policies for teachers unions are a perfect example, since some school districts would have suspended teachers (often accused sex offenders) receiving full pay while either performing light administrative work or functionally doing nothing. It's a process that usually drags on for years thanks to union protections that delay a judgment. Come to think of it, most egregious union stories involve teachers unions which, as far as unions go, are also the most superfluous anyway. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Ive never dealt with unions myself so Im coming from a mostly ignorant place, but it seems like an issue that just about everybody has strong opinions about. What does potd think about them?</quote> Most of people I've met over the years who have dealt with unions have spoken unfavorably of them (whereas most of the people who praised them not only hadn't worked union and, humorously enough, one of the biggest advocates was a guy who was still unsuccessfully struggled to get into one). This includes an aunt who was intimidated by union reps coming to her home and trespassing because they were pushing to unionize her workplace and she wasn't onboard, qualified young workers who fell victim to the last in/first out system (including teachers with greater qualifications than their peers with seniority), people who voted in unions for their workplaces, etc. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>They served a good purpose once, but they can also do far more harm than good in the modern environment. Ultimately, I think where a given union falls on the spectrum depends entirely on the union/industry. Some are much better or worse than others.</quote> This. And a large part of it has been the shift from private-sector unions (which were regulating legitimate safety issues, etc) to public sector unions which bloat taxpayer expenses while lowering the quality of those services. <cite>ferko420 posted...</cite> <quote>Union became obsolete when osha was created.</quote> It certainly resolved a lot of the original underlying motivation for creating unions. <cite>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck, guys, onions are great.</quote> Except red onions, because fuck those troll onions. <cite>pedro45 posted...</cite> <quote>How many people that hate union dues also hate paying taxes?</quote> Does anybody enjoy paying taxes? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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