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Topic	Do people who lived before Christianity get to go to heaven?
Marauder64 07/10/18 3:58:42 PM #30:	Paragon21XX posted... Marauder64 posted... HylianFox posted... Does God have a plan for every situation? Sure, absolutely. Does God know with 100% certainty how things will play out? No, that's ridiculous and flies in the face of humanity being given free will. Free will? Christians are pre-determined for Heaven. We're just going through the motions......like as a formality as it were. God knows everything. He says what will happen, and it happens. Double predestination, aka hyper-Calvinism (the idea that people not predestined for heaven are predestined for hell), is a complete heresy. Some people have been elected by God to salvation like Paul was, but that does not mean that everyone else that has not been directly elected have no choice but to go to hell. Otherwise, there would have been no emphasis that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world and God calling all men to repentance. Funny thing is, God knows who's going to Heaven, and Hell. He knows who's written in the book of life. Indeed, Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but, there are those who have rejected his message. Are you saying those who have rejected Jesus, shall go to Heaven with actual Christians? Are you saying the BEAST has not been pre-selected? The Gospel according to John Chap.15 verses 12-17(New American Standard Bible (NASB) states: 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17 This I command you, that you love one another. Consider the bolded. If Christians didn't choose Jesus, but Jesus CHOSE THEM(us, for those who believe), does this not mean he cherry picked those destined to Heaven? Christians are called "elected" for a reason. --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac <cite>Marauder64 posted [p:904834414] in Do people ... [t:76794439]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Marauder64 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HylianFox posted...</cite> <quote>Does God have a plan for every situation? Sure, absolutely. Does God know with 100% certainty how things will play out? No, that's ridiculous and flies in the face of humanity being given free will.</quote> Free will? Christians are pre-determined for Heaven. We're just going through the motions......like as a formality as it were. God knows everything. He says what will happen, and it happens.</quote> Double predestination, aka hyper-Calvinism (the idea that people not predestined for heaven are predestined for hell), is a complete heresy. Some people have been elected by God to salvation like Paul was, but that does not mean that everyone else that has not been directly elected have no choice but to go to hell. Otherwise, there would have been no emphasis that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world and God calling all men to repentance.</quote> Funny thing is, God knows who's going to Heaven, and Hell. He knows who's written in the book of life. Indeed, Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, but, there are those who have rejected his message. Are you saying those who have rejected Jesus, shall go to Heaven with actual Christians? Are you saying the BEAST has not been pre-selected? The Gospel according to John Chap.15 verses 12-17(New American Standard Bible (NASB) states: 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17 This I command you, that you love one another. Consider the bolded. If Christians didn't choose Jesus, but Jesus CHOSE THEM(us, for those who believe), does this not mean he cherry picked those destined to Heaven? Christians are called "elected" for a reason. --- The code of the elitist: If people like it, it sucks. : Sinix. PSN: Gridmac</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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