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TopicLet's see what Rachel Maddow is up to
darkjedilink
06/13/18 3:08:35 PM
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That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?"

"Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile."

Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.

I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.


Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility.

You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.

Q: What has Kim 'gained?

A: A cessation of military exercises.


Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true."

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement

Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange?

How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question.
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