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Topic	Okay some serious shit happened to my friend and he is in jail
Zeus 05/26/18 5:43:49 PM #21:	yutterh posted... Yes, I am assuming malice if the allegation is bad. How many of these are false accusations in general anyways? With children and overprotective parents in this highly charged age, you can get a large number of malice-free bad allegations. And while the guilty can go free, the innocent also wind up going to jail because many of these trials are based more on testimony than physical evidence. yutterh posted... Has there been false allegations that have had no malice and were overturned? Unless the child later recanted or the investigators got in trouble over a similar case, probably none. yutterh posted... How many child molestation allegations been overturned with the accused not having their lives ruined? Well, as soon as an accusation hits a newspaper, you're already guilty in the court of public opinion. Which, again, is why defendants should have some protections. yutterh posted... My other friend possibly raped a chick but no chargers were brought up on him. Some think it was regret sex, some think they were both just drunk, and some think he raped her. But he got lucky and it didn't go to court. The first friend, I am sure he may have said something without realizing it. But didn't deserve the charge. The other I don't know what to make of the story, at first I was on his side but then more facts came put and it was blurry, I think it was regret sex but he denies it ever happened. But it's been years so I may be getting some facts wrong. One more reason not to drink and to discourage others from doing the same. LinkPizza posted... Anyway, it could be the kids lying if they were mad at him for something... depending on age. It could be the parents if they were mad about something. Or maybe he's rich. Or he might have some money if they are really in need of some. I mean, this is pretty extreme if they just needed money. But you never know... Or the kid can show signs that may suggest abuse for whatever reason, the parents can immediately suspect the worst because we live in an age of high-profile sex abuse cases, investigators can either intentionally or inadvertently coax false testimony out of the child (such as asking questions which create a narrative in the child's mind), and by the time it reaches a judge, everybody is convinced that something absolutely happened even if it didn't. And a lot of it is completely well-intentioned, since child welfare is a serious issue, children are particularly vulnerable to abuse, and abuse cases are aren't that uncommon. LinkPizza posted... Probably. But cases or sexual nature and murder are both very guilty until proven innocent(Which means legally innocent, but lots of people still might think you did it) It's worse with sex crimes because it often relies far less on physical evidence and more just on testimony. And while it's usually easy to establish that a murder happened (thanks to having a body), oftentimes the only evidence you have of a sex crime happening is the word of the accuser (who, in the case of child sex crimes, may not even be the person allegedly impacted). --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:902030664] in Okay some ... [t:76645905]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, I am assuming malice if the allegation is bad. How many of these are false accusations in general anyways? </quote> With children and overprotective parents in this highly charged age, you can get a large number of malice-free bad allegations. And while the guilty can go free, the innocent also wind up going to jail because many of these trials are based more on testimony than physical evidence. <cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Has there been false allegations that have had no malice and were overturned?</quote> Unless the child later recanted or the investigators got in trouble over a similar case, probably none. <cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>How many child molestation allegations been overturned with the accused not having their lives ruined? </quote> Well, as soon as an accusation hits a newspaper, you're already guilty in the court of public opinion. Which, again, is why defendants should have some protections. <cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>My other friend possibly raped a chick but no chargers were brought up on him. Some think it was regret sex, some think they were both just drunk, and some think he raped her. But he got lucky and it didn't go to court. The first friend, I am sure he may have said something without realizing it. But didn't deserve the charge. The other I don't know what to make of the story, at first I was on his side but then more facts came put and it was blurry, I think it was regret sex but he denies it ever happened. But it's been years so I may be getting some facts wrong.</quote> One more reason not to drink and to discourage others from doing the same. <cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Anyway, it could be the kids lying if they were mad at him for something... depending on age. It could be the parents if they were mad about something. Or maybe he's rich. Or he might have some money if they are really in need of some. I mean, this is pretty extreme if they just needed money. But you never know...</quote> Or the kid can show signs that may suggest abuse for whatever reason, the parents can immediately suspect the worst because we live in an age of high-profile sex abuse cases, investigators can either intentionally or inadvertently coax false testimony out of the child (such as asking questions which create a narrative in the child's mind), and by the time it reaches a judge, everybody is convinced that something absolutely happened even if it didn't. And a lot of it is completely well-intentioned, since child welfare is a serious issue, children are particularly vulnerable to abuse, and abuse cases are aren't that uncommon. <cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Probably. But cases or sexual nature and murder are both very guilty until proven innocent(Which means legally innocent, but lots of people still might think you did it)</quote> It's worse with sex crimes because it often relies far less on physical evidence and more just on testimony. And while it's usually easy to establish that a murder happened (thanks to having a body), oftentimes the only evidence you have of a sex crime happening is the word of the accuser (who, in the case of child sex crimes, may not even be the person allegedly impacted). --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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