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Topic	Do you consider pro wrestlers accomplished?
Zeus 01/11/18 8:17:05 PM #24:	wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s. The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres. Compared to the 90s? No. The WWE's holdings today aren't anywhere near as big as a combination of the WWE and WCW, let alone the rest of the market. And most of the indies that are around now feature talent who basically work for gas money to get to the event. More importantly, you play up NXT but literally all it did was replace FCW (which I'm not sure was break-even, but it was a WWE developmental) which, in turn, replaced OVW (which -- while partly functioning as a WWE developmental -- was also profitable as its own entity). The biggest difference between NXT and prior WWE developmental territories is that it has national coverage. wwinterj25 posted... Zeus posted... Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous. A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward. More a matter of high risk, little reward. Keep in mind that most of the indie guys break their bodies long before they even have the opportunity of being signed to a major company. Plus, when you use these moves every fucking match, what value they might have had is killed. A suicide dive might be great if used sparingly as a major high spot, but there are many wrestlers now who seem to use it once or even several times per match-- so you're seeing it time and time again throughout the night. And most of the time the other wrestler is staring right at the guy getting ready to use the move. It strains all credulity that a guy wouldn't have the sense to get out of the way and let his opponent crash & burn. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:893868208] in Do you con... [t:76187951]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You had indies even in the 80s and 90s. The indy scene is much smaller now and fewer people are making an actual living than ever before. Keep in mind that Japan already had a thriving wrestling scene in the 80s.</quote> The indy scene is going smaller yet more opportunities are available from the main promotions such as WWE with NXT and their own performance centres.</quote> Compared to the 90s? No. The WWE's holdings today aren't anywhere near as big as a combination of the WWE and WCW, let alone the rest of the market. And most of the indies that are around now feature talent who basically work for gas money to get to the event. More importantly, you play up NXT but literally all it did was replace FCW (which I'm not sure was break-even, but it was a WWE developmental) which, in turn, replaced OVW (which -- while partly functioning as a WWE developmental -- was also profitable as its own entity). The biggest difference between NXT and prior WWE developmental territories is that it has national coverage. <cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the moves are goofy, look contrived (since they stand there), and are unnecessarily dangerous.</quote> A good wrestler can pull off good looking moves without hurting themselves or others in most cases. Still I suppose it's a matter of high risk, high reward.</quote> More a matter of high risk, little reward. Keep in mind that most of the indie guys break their bodies long before they even have the opportunity of being signed to a major company. Plus, when you use these moves every fucking match, what value they might have had is killed. A suicide dive might be great if used sparingly as a major high spot, but there are many wrestlers now who seem to use it once or even several times per match-- so you're seeing it time and time again throughout the night. And most of the time the other wrestler is staring right at the guy getting ready to use the move. It strains all credulity that a guy wouldn't have the sense to get out of the way and let his opponent crash & burn. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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