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Topic	Hypothetical Mercs Topic, S2 Topic 2: Pure Imagination
KanzarisKelshen 12/26/17 10:20:18 AM #395:	Edgar Figaro http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/102457939/Edgar%20Figaro One of the most 'why' inclusions in this game I think. FF6 is already overrepresented (Kefka, Kuja, Celes, Sabin - that's a lot of dudes for one game), and Edgar is one of the most generic FF6 characters you can get. Yeah yeah, Tools, fun stuff...but they got argued precisely never, yo. And it's not like Chris is a bad arguer so you can't pin it on the leader sucking at getting votes. We can do better than this. Put in Gogo if you really need a fifth FF6 rep. More interesting stuff can be done with the fact he's a superstrong bonus boss in FF5 and hmi being able to mimic other characters without poaching their parameters. His abilities weren't that good either, so I'm not really feeling him besides being a cool character. Should He Stay?: No. Eleonora Yumizuru http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/109948153/Eleonora%20Yumizuru Speaking of 'why' inclusions...I don't know why Luis made this build. Ellie isn't the fan favorite from TMS, TMS is itself a game that came and went without a peep, and HOLY FUCK THOSE ABILITIES JFC Like, count the ways this shit is busted Controllable KO? Yep. Friendly Fireproof status shell that can thirdparty dudes or possess them? Yep. Free ability usages? Yyyyep. Each ability is more busted than the last, it's crazy. You can nerf these all to size and make her fair, but why? She's not worth the effort. Abel, Atsuro and several others from Devil Survivor, Joker and some of his bros from P5, Demifiend from SMT3, Cielo and Heat...we have way more pressing SMT reps already. Should She Stay?: No. Elizabeth mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/103044214/Elizabeth Real talk, I don't get why Liz is a 3/week. Her abilities are fine, but nothing about this is gamebreakingly strong in a way that makes me think she deserves to be at the top cost PS slot alongside Jeigan and Ashtar. Her second branching ability upgrade also fucking sucks and is way too conservative, and honestly you could make her a permanent assist character and she'd be totally fair. I think she's the better Bioshock Infinite rep over Booker so if one has to stay it should be her, but she could use some sprucing up to justify her pricetag imo. Should She Stay?: Yes, with some buffs/changes. Elma http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/109131589/Elma You know what the true Dumbest Argument was? Whether Elma starts in her mech or not. She should come back and her abilities are good but if she does, clear up that she starts in her mech or outside it, and if she does start in it clarify whether abilities will hit her or the mech. That's all folks! PS: Mira confirms we can and should abandon the whole 'empty lifeless terrains' bullshit. It nerfs stealth characters and makes for lamer matches. We can afford a bit more pizzazz with our terrain for sure. This doesn't mean every terrain should be populated, but a fair amount? Yeah sure. And no tier restrictions either! Should She Stay?: Yes. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:892889111] in Hypothetic... [t:75882801]...</cite> <quote>Edgar Figaro http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/102457939/Edgar%20Figaro One of the most 'why' inclusions in this game I think. FF6 is already overrepresented (Kefka, Kuja, Celes, Sabin - that's a lot of dudes for one game), and Edgar is one of the most generic FF6 characters you can get. Yeah yeah, Tools, fun stuff...but they got argued precisely never, yo. And it's not like Chris is a bad arguer so you can't pin it on the leader sucking at getting votes. We can do better than this. Put in Gogo if you really need a fifth FF6 rep. More interesting stuff can be done with the fact he's a superstrong bonus boss in FF5 and hmi being able to mimic other characters without poaching their parameters. His abilities weren't that good either, so I'm not really feeling him besides being a cool character. Should He Stay?: No. Eleonora Yumizuru http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/109948153/Eleonora%20Yumizuru Speaking of 'why' inclusions...I don't know why Luis made this build. Ellie isn't the fan favorite from TMS, TMS is itself a game that came and went without a peep, and HOLY FUCK THOSE ABILITIES JFC Like, count the ways this shit is busted Controllable KO? Yep. Friendly Fireproof status shell that can thirdparty dudes or possess them? Yep. Free ability usages? Yyyyep. Each ability is more busted than the last, it's crazy. You can nerf these all to size and make her fair, but why? She's not worth the effort. Abel, Atsuro and several others from Devil Survivor, Joker and some of his bros from P5, Demifiend from SMT3, Cielo and Heat...we have way more pressing SMT reps already. Should She Stay?: No. Elizabeth mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/103044214/Elizabeth Real talk, I don't get why Liz is a 3/week. Her abilities are fine, but nothing about this is gamebreakingly strong in a way that makes me think she deserves to be at the top cost PS slot alongside Jeigan and Ashtar. Her second branching ability upgrade also fucking sucks and is way too conservative, and honestly you could make her a permanent assist character and she'd be totally fair. I think she's the better Bioshock Infinite rep over Booker so if one has to stay it should be her, but she could use some sprucing up to justify her pricetag imo. Should She Stay?: Yes, with some buffs/changes. Elma http://mercs2015.pbworks.com/w/page/109131589/Elma You know what the true Dumbest Argument was? Whether Elma starts in her mech or not. She should come back and her abilities are good but if she does, clear up that she starts in her mech or outside it, and if she does start in it clarify whether abilities will hit her or the mech. That's all folks! PS: Mira confirms we can and should abandon the whole 'empty lifeless terrains' bullshit. It nerfs stealth characters and makes for lamer matches. We can afford a bit more pizzazz with our terrain for sure. This doesn't mean every terrain should be populated, but a fair amount? Yeah sure. And no tier restrictions either! Should She Stay?: Yes. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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