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| FLUFFYGERM 10/06/17 1:04:43 AM #47: | InYourWalls1 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted...well, most animals don't really comprehend what's going on. they're just motor functions. and if i was going to be some animal's lunch, well, i'd probably stop caring once i'm dead. i read the entire thing. too many weasel words and too much lack of precision as to how much consciousness is relevant and how they even define consciousness. let me know when cattle have consciousness and self awareness in any meaningful sense, k? it's pointless to talk about an animal's affective states or consciousness if neither of those are in any capacity worth mentioning a cow planning to eat more grass at sunrise certainly doesn't make it wrong to eat beef EverHeardOfIt posted... what I said was that "if you were emotionally invested in an animal like a dog, you'd understand they're more than motor functions." what you came away with was that "if you understand animals are more than motor functions, then you must be emotionally invested in an animal like a dog." you switched the logical implication in the other direction, you see that? it's backwards. No you don't need to be emotionally invested into an animal like a dog, but you must have some understanding of their similar level of consciousness, which since you seemed to lack, I tried to spur on with the dog example. i have no reason to believe that animals have any meaningful capacity for understanding, except for maybe dolphins and ravens and some monkeys. and that's a big maybe, one that certainly doesn't prevent those animals from eating one another or from being eaten by animals that don't give a fuck LOL!!!!! if someone cannot adopt your level of understanding without having been emotionally invested into a pet dog, you don't have an argument - you have just an appeal to emotion EverHeardOfIt posted... well we gotta establish some axioms. like do you value human life? the life of any mammals? what is reasonable cause to cause another human suffering? other mammals? hey man, i asked what system of ethics you used to claim that it's not ethical to use animals for food. you could easily answer that question without trying to interrogate me as to what my own views are. and axioms are self evident. if we need to "establish" them in this conversation then clearly they are not self evident and maybe you don't understand basic logic ... Copied to Clipboard! |
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