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hockeybub89 posted...

That's your fucking argument? America has done bad shit, so no one from that country has a right to correctly call out yours?

Israel is genociding Palestinians because your government hates them and wants them dead. And counties supporting Israeli governemnt is as big a joke as anyone supporting Hamas.

If anything, I should know what genocide is since America committed once against the native Americans, attempted one against the Japanese Americans, and is working on one against the LGBTQ community. And I believe we helped defeat a country that had a pretty well-known genocide against Jews. A certain country was even created in the aftermath of that war.

The term genocide usually means that the population of victims of said genocide goes down, not up. What is happening to the Palestinians does not met the criteria of the term Genocide.

Is it awful? Absolutely. Disproportionate at this point? Probably. Justified - debatable at best and only the most die hard Zionists at this point. At this point, its clear that the seige of Gaza constitutes a war crime. (Although I believe that all wars are crimes in some way.) I mean Hamas has kidnapped children and its nice to know someone is actually willing to do something to get them back, but given the body count on the other side, Ill concede the point.

But look at the definition of the term genocide. Israel is guilty of the first two elements - killing members of the group and causing harm to members of the group, but look at the fourth - imposing measures designed to prevent the births of the group. The birthrate for Palestinians refutes the accusation of genocide.

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

Im just saying - a reasonable starting point to negotiating a peace agreement is to make sure we get our indictments right. Part of the reason why neither side will even consider talking to each other is that demonization that I am referring to. Israel has absolutely no reason to negotiate with terrorists, and unfortunately is now faced with a near impossible choice: commit to a ground offensive under the so called rules of war which undoubtedly results in the lives of god knows how many soldiers, do what its doing now, or do absolutely nothing and allow Hamas to simply get away with its pogrom while maintaining a security concern it has no chance of resolving without considering the other two options.

Correct me if Im wrong, the US faced a similar choice in the Summer of 1945. And we went nuclear with it. Not suggesting thats what Israel needs to do in Gaza in anyway, but what army commander is going to send his or her troops into certain death if they dont have to?