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Foppe posted...

Are we ignoring that Muslims and Jews lived side by side for generations in the region, most of the time in peace?
How they were not against Jews per se, just against how the West had whispered promises about creating their own countries that they would decide over, just to have them start talking about giving it to somebody else?
Are we ignoring that they have played But the other side did... for generations?

Yeah, an empire ruling over everybody and telling them they have to get along will create peace. We call that a one-state solution.

But it's pretty revisionist to say they generally got along. Yes, they were Jews living in these places, but they were living in predominantly muslim, Islamic theocratic nations where they had to pay a special tax and were second class citizens given fewer rights who were told that they were privileged to not be killed on sight simply because they share the same abrahamic god. And that's ignoring the various slaughters that happened over the centuries during the time that they were supposedly all just getting along.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic%E2%80%93Jewish_relations

Traditionally Jews living in Muslim lands, known (along with Christians) as dhimmis, were allowed to practice their religion and to administer their internal affairs but subject to certain conditions.[40] They had to pay the jizya (a per capita tax imposed on free, adult non-Muslim males) to the Muslim government but were exempted from paying the zakat (a tax imposed on free, adult Muslim males).[40] Dhimmis were prohibited from bearing arms or giving testimony in most Muslim court cases, for there were many Sharia laws which did not apply to Dhimmis, who practiced Halakha.[41] A common misconception is that of the requirement of distinctive clothing, which is a law not taught by the Qur'an or hadith but allegedly invented by the Abbasid Caliphate in early medieval Baghdad.[42] Jews rarely faced martyrdom or exile, or forced compulsion to change their religion, and they were mostly free in their choice of residence and profession.[43] They did, however, have certain restrictions placed upon them, listed in the Pact of Umar. The Pact of Umar was a set of guidelines placed upon Jews in Islamic territories, many of them being very restrictive and prohibitive.

However, Jews still experienced tense and violent times they were often discriminated against and, as a result, were often the recipient of many violent acts placed upon them.[45] The notable examples of massacre of Jews include the killing or forcible conversion of them by the rulers of the Almohad dynasty in Al-Andalus in the 12th century.[46][47] Notable examples of the cases where the choice of residence was taken away from them includes confining Jews to walled quarters (mellahs) in Morocco beginning from the 15th century and especially since the early 19th century.[48] Most conversions were voluntary and happened for various reasons.[additional citation(s) needed] However, there were some forced conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and al-Andalus as well as in Persia.[46]