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A_Good_Boy posted...

I can't attest to AT's skill as a writer or any subsequent inconsistencies that occur in the series, because that particular issue has long been known and discussed. All I know is that that there are several instances that occur within the show that reinforce the fact that DB character are fast af. Like, Goku vs Jiren where Goku is punching so quickly it looks like he's just merely hunched over and not moving.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Or Goku fighting Jeice, Burter, and Recoome while moving so quickly it looks like he's just standing still.

probelm with both of these is they dont really mean anything

we have no comparison to make

it would be like saying "a cheetah is faster than a the color purple"

goku being faster than X dont mean anything as X has no speed to give us context

we fallow the bread crumbs all the way back to roshi vs krillin

as you said no one could see their movements

then later when goku and roshi are fighting at a higher speed

ppl can see it just fine

its all meaningless we have no numbers

dragon ball just says things to sound cool and then ignores it as soon as it becomes a mild inconvenience

lets take thos universe shock waves for example ooh wow it makes goku look so strong

ok but when he is in a stronger form fighting frieza ( a character with no ki control at all) those shock waves dont happen

or when facing rage monster brolly no shock waves

or in super heros where cell max has no brain at all no shock waves

the only way to reconcile this massive plot hole is if goku never had anything to do with the shock waves and its just a result of beerus fighting

goku is alot stronger we are told but we have no idea by how much

the fights are doing less damage to the environment than what we use to get in Z

but but ki control i just debunked the ki control thing with characters that have none

goku still cant even survive in space (this is made very very clear multiple times)

he cant fly between planets or anything