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TopicDo you agree with Reddit's official smash ultimate tier list?
the_rowan
10/11/23 2:27:34 AM
#12:


Mii Brawler is too low. Has zero-death true combos (which require specific stage position/layout, but not uncommonly specific) or DI mixups on a ton of characters and no glaring weaknesses other than a lack of disjoints. Probably better than Mario.

Cloud is very significantly too high. Just because Spargo is really good with him doesn't make him a top 10 character. He should be down around where Shulk is (and Shulk should be at least a few spots higher, assuming this is about character potential; Shulk is just even more technical than Peach to play perfectly, but has a lot of the same cheater-level stuff that Steve does like on-demand invincibility, combo-breaking, cancelling all endlag of any aerial, etc.). Cloud has some counterplay to camping in "charge limit hurr durr", but it doesn't actually get him through gyro or block wall or all the other campy BS in the game. He has pretty limited options in neutral and kind of just spams nair and bair a bunch, and he has an exploitable recovery.

PAC-MAN seems several spots low and should probably be around where Cloud is now. Oppressive and safe gameplan that is very hard for a ton of characters to deal with, almost impossible to stop recovery, and a slightly weaker version of Steve's BS "random diamond sword fsmash lul" with his absurdly strong and fairly fast smash attacks.

There are a few other small tweaks I'd make, but those are the ones that come to mind first.

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