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Topic	So why did the rebels rebel against the empire anyway?
ParanoidObsessive 06/26/23 1:29:56 PM #51:	Yellow posted... Also is PO arguing that the empire wasn't racist? That's definitely not true. No, PO pointed out that by the logic of the films alone, the Rebellion would also be racist. Because apart from a couple token aliens, they don't have aliens in positions of power either. Aliens not being on camera in positions of power doesn't necessarily mean much when you're talking about films made at a time where costuming and special effects meant you weren't going to include all that many aliens no matter what. There's a reason why the original films cram most of their aliens into scenes that exist sort of separately from the rest of the film (ie, the Cantina and Jabba's Palace). Because it made it easier to handle the special effects and costuming for most of the rest of the movie, and meant you didn't have a ridiculous alien walking through serious scenes and making things look goofy (see also why people are annoyed by the Special Editions inserting random shit into scenes just because). Most of the time you'd get Chewbacca and a couple droids in any given scene and literally everyone else was human. Because that was what about the extent of what you could do in the 1970s, and because it works better for the story being told (or to put it another way, AotC did not need a random 1950s diner scene with a fat alien in it). At no point do the films actually show aliens being oppressed (at least not any more than humans are also oppressed), or explicitly say it's a thing. It's just what people infer from the lack of aliens. But there are out-of-universe reasons for that. About the only directly implied racism in the original films is towards droids (with them not being allowed in the Cantina). Most of the narrative that the Empire was racist comes from the EU, and the EU is essentially fanfiction. Akuryu posted... Ok, lets just focus on the original trilogy and nothing else... The Empire develops a planet destroying weapon, then uses it on an Imperial planet, killing billions of Imperial citizens. Men, women, children, and presumably, a bunch of space dogs and cats. That's pretty evil. If the US President nukes an entire State because he's having a bad day, we will probably have some rebels. Well... depending on the State I guess. Maybe Alderaan was space Florida? Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Don't act like the US never invented super-weapons to "keep the peace". --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:974435759] in So why did... [t:80486447]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yellow posted...</cite><quote>Also is PO arguing that the empire wasn't racist? That's definitely not true.</quote>No, PO pointed out that by the logic of the films alone, the Rebellion would also be racist. Because apart from a couple token aliens, they don't have aliens in positions of power either.Aliens not being on camera in positions of power doesn't necessarily mean much when you're talking about films made at a time where costuming and special effects meant you weren't going to include all that many aliens no matter what.There's a reason why the original films cram most of their aliens into scenes that exist sort of separately from the rest of the film (ie, the Cantina and Jabba's Palace). Because it made it easier to handle the special effects and costuming for most of the rest of the movie, and meant you didn't have a ridiculous alien walking through serious scenes and making things look goofy (see also why people are annoyed by the Special Editions inserting random shit into scenes just because). Most of the time you'd get Chewbacca and a couple droids in any given scene and literally everyone else was human. Because that was what about the extent of what you could do in the 1970s, and because it works better for the story being told (or to put it another way, AotC did not need a random 1950s diner scene with a fat alien in it).At no point do the films actually show aliens being oppressed (at least not any more than humans are also oppressed), or explicitly say it's a thing. It's just what people infer from the lack of aliens. But there are out-of-universe reasons for that.About the only directly implied racism in the original films is towards droids (with them not being allowed in the Cantina).Most of the narrative that the Empire was racist comes from the EU, and the EU is essentially fanfiction.<cite>Akuryu posted...</cite><quote>Ok, lets just focus on the original trilogy and nothing else... The Empire develops a planet destroying weapon, then uses it on an Imperial planet, killing billions of Imperial citizens. Men, women, children, and presumably, a bunch of space dogs and cats. That's pretty evil. If the US President nukes an entire State because he's having a bad day, we will probably have some rebels. Well... depending on the State I guess. Maybe Alderaan was space Florida?</quote>Hiroshima.Nagasaki.Don't act like the US never invented super-weapons to "keep the peace". --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76"POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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