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Definitely feel like there are easier ways to get toad out than -1ing yourself with one for one.

Spright Twins and Runick will probably be the dominant build. 2 Ki Sikil frost main decked can still give you turn 1 elf toad.

You go -1 for the extender option because it's a special summon. Also Substitoad isn't once per turn, which is the thing that makes it bannable in the first place. It's possible people can find a far broken board with a Substitoad loop. I don't have enough familiarity with them to know for sure, but yeah seems like a lot of people are just running more Live Twins for Toads instead, but I've seen people still keep a minimal Frog engine with Substitoad regardless.

It's clearly not as good as before and Tears are just gonna be better, and I think that does show how important the overall Frog engine was for them, including Halq to some extent, since you can use Deep Sea Diva