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ctesjbuvf posted...

Don't try to derail this point into some nonsense that you know is not what I'm saying. The point was I would have not risked a watcher being alive if I was scum, which is a case against you, the watcher, because you're still alive. Also at that point of the game, it was pretty clear that the rest of you didn't think an innocent scan with a dead godfather was as big a town clear as yours. I was trying to make Chris think about if what would have been the right move if I was the scum he leaned that I was and I think you know that.

But you would leave the scanned townie alive? Again, if you were scum, how would you have planned to win a final three with you, Chris, and Sbell? The same arguments you could make against Sbell could very easily be used against you.

Meanwhile, the only thing I have to my name is Watcher. It's far easier to convince others that I'm lying when my flavor is Anakin Skywalker and my usage of role actions this game weren't exactly well-thought out.

But again, if I were scum, why wouldn't I kill Hb immediately? There's no risk. No scanners, no protection. The fact that Sbell didn't move should've been information that was buried along with Hb. As soon as MZero died, there was zero reason to keep Hb alive at all. He only died on the Star Wars night when there were no other power roles that could have interfered with killing Hb.

Even you admitted scum wouldn't kill Sbell unless they feared being watched that night.

HB said pretty clearly you he'd scan yesterday. From your posts Kirby, Sbell does seem like a good place to not be watched. Sbell and I should not be as easy to force a mislynch on. Now you just said it's between SBell and I, but seriously, how is two godfathers the most likely possibility you see?

(Topic 12, Post 258)

ctesjbuvf posted...

You're trying to compare apples to oranges here. It's not a role meta trap in that sense at all. The town trap with the flavor cops is that they counterclaim each other, that doesn't happen with doppelganger... at all. It's not more meta trapping than a cop not being on those nights when it says they still scan as dark side. Also scum clearly has enough power roles, I'm not too worried about that role not being as strong in this setup as it could have been, seems fair enough.

Tracker breaks through Doppelganger, too, so what's the point of sending out the Doppelganger to carry out the nightkills if there's no Watcher to screw with? It's an unnecessary risk given that MZero also had the crucial Thief role that rendered Hb useless on Star Wars nights, so it's better to send somebody else with a less valuable role on the off chance there was a Tracker on the Pokmon side. Again, if I'm scum, we knew there was a very, very low chance of there being another Watcher as early as D4.

A Doppelganger without Watcher is a meta trap in the sense that it the role implies messing around with specific scans but in actuality has no impact whatsoever on town scans because the Watcher isn't in the setup. If Pokmon side had a Tracker and they scanned MZero, scum would have been mega screwed.

Earlier in this topic, we both agreed MZero carried out all of the nightkills on the Pokmon side. Why would scum do that if they knew there wasn't a Watcher on the Town side?