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It was a thorough explanation, Chris. But I still have issues with it.

Let's start with your first point about Ulti.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

So the answer to why someone who knew Ulti had a night action but didn't kill him could be several things. One, Ulti had expressed suspicion of me as early as day 2 so it could have been reasonable to think ulti was't protection but some sort of scanner. In hindsight we know that's wrong but also day 3 it was revealed Mewtwo was his pokemon. Does scum immediately think "Ah mewtwo, protection role then!" or do they look at the fact that ulti expressed suspicion of me and think "well he could be a lot of different roles." There is, to me, a very clear and understandable path why a scum team with that information could decide to leave Ulti be.

Why would Ulti's suspicion of you lead to the conclusion that he was scanner? If he was a Cop, you would've scanned innocent, and Ulti would have no reason to suspect you unless you were Miller or he believe his first scan was Godfather. Scum knows you were innocent. This makes no sense.

If Ulti had tracked you, he'd have no reason to be suspicious of you because your role doesn't move. This, of course, the scum did not know, sure. But do you really think scum would suspect Ulti is a scanner and keep him alive? Frankly, Ulti visited you. If scum knew that, they knew that Ulti had a power role of some sort. Why keep him alive if he's a potential threat?

Also, who the hell sees Anorith and thinks "oh that's a Flavor Cop"? Who sees Professor Oak and thinks "Redirector"? I don't want to meta this too much since Han discouraged us from metaing PM flavor, but that Mewtwo argument is preposterous when scum knew about Professor Oak from the start and Anorith from D2.

Sure, fine, I can understand the "Ulti was an easy mislynch target" angle, but I don't get the rest of it.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

... Also why did they kill death night 4 when they still had an unscanned godfather. That's actually a point in your favor, HB. Killing Death night 4 makes much more sense if scare was godfather and they felt like death had done them enough of a solid and they wanted to remove him. Scum has much higher equity this game if isquen managed to be scanned innocent.

When is keeping the claimed Cop alive ever the right play as scum? Let's keep in mind that Cop's only job isn't to scan scum; they also scan townies. Hell, Sbell and Scare wouldn't have even been given the time of day if Death didn't scan them as town!

You really think Scum is gonna gamble on a 1/15 chance (or however many unscanned people were alive that night) just for the mere possibility of Isquen being scanned innocent? That's stupidly, stupidly risky. It's far likelier for the Cop to either: clear a mislynch target (exhibit A: Sbell and Scare, on the onset at least) or scan a scum member guilty.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

By the time you posted day 5 Isquen was super dead and so you saw an opportunity to 'confirm' yourself by mentioning that you were redirected. I believe my response to you being redirected was, ah yes, "Kirby I am omega levels of concerned." It would have been one thing if we didn't know Isquen was cooked at that point, but by the time you claimed redirected your potential scumbuddy was cooked. Things were looking even worse now for the team. Risks have to be taken and frankly if you are scum those risks have paid off very well for you.

That was indeed your response, but I took that as "Why did you attempt to scan Red?" In fact, let me quote you.

Okay well hider... can't die directly. So thinking they would die is odd

Then Kirby walks in here with saying he wanted to watch red... which is uhh

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This was only two posts after you gave your "omega levels of concerned" post. Perhaps this is misinterpretation, but it seemed you were more concerned about me trying to watch Red rather than the fact that I claimed I was redirected.

Otherwise, fine, I can see your point here. It was a poor coincidence that Hb posted immediately with his evidence on Isquen before I could even have a chance to talk about being redirected, and it just so happened that Isquen was the source of me being redirected. I can understand how that would look bad.