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Topic	Russian meddling in the US election last year was a problem how?
Zeus 09/10/17 9:15:32 PM #30:	BlackScythe0 posted... Zeus posted... Honestly, it probably won't turn up anything and, even if it does, it's extremely unlikely to link anything to Trump. People have tried to spin it as the mere decision for Don Jr to meet with the lawyer constitutes a crime but, if that was the case, we'd probably have heard more of it by now. People must be used to leaks or something. Why would Mueller publicly disclose his findings and keep the people up to date on his investigation? Given that they can't keep anything else quiet, why would you assume things would start now? Keep in mind that James Comey's firing hit the press before Comey learned about it. Mead posted... Using foreign money to influence a US election is a crime, plain and simple. Deal with it. I'm behind on my Russian conspiracy theories. What's this one about? Doctor Foxx posted... Wasn't the narrative "there was no Russian meddling?" When did the goalposts get changed to "there was meddling but what is the problem?" Probably when the definition of "meddling" got changed. Especially since a lot of things people are calling "meddling" now -- such as running bad PR against candidates -- are things other nations have literally been doing all along without anybody criticizing it. Otherwise, if Russia was actually behind the DNC hack -- which, by the way, we only really have the DNC's word for because they handed over their consultant's findings to the intelligence agencies rather than any hardware -- that's clearly meddling and a problem. However, a lot of the claims of meddling are speculative at best where we can track IP activity to Russia -- assuming that they aren't just tunneling -- but that doesn't automatically entail that the government is behind it. BlackScythe0 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... Wasn't the narrative "there was no Russian meddling?" When did the goalposts get changed to "there was meddling but what is the problem?" Once the kids were forced to admit they set up a meeting hoping to get dirt from Russia on Hillary because they wanted Trump to win. Which had nothing to do with the meddling claims we'd heard all along and, more importantly, resulted in nothing considering that even if they got something they never used it. Krazy_Kirby posted... thats just them getting information from someone. shouldn't even be a crime. if it had been some random american nobody would have made a fuss It's a somewhat silly double-standard, and overlooks that information can be more important than how it's acquired. Granted, with a foreign power as the source (or a super-pac, corporation, etc), the information isn't always reliable because of possible agendas. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:886378849] in Russian me... [t:75748481]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, it probably won't turn up anything and, even if it does, it's extremely unlikely to link anything to Trump. People have tried to spin it as the mere decision for Don Jr to meet with the lawyer constitutes a crime but, if that was the case, we'd probably have heard more of it by now.</quote> People must be used to leaks or something. Why would Mueller publicly disclose his findings and keep the people up to date on his investigation?</quote> Given that they can't keep anything else quiet, why would you assume things would start now? Keep in mind that James Comey's firing hit the press before Comey learned about it. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Using foreign money to influence a US election is a crime, plain and simple. Deal with it.</quote> I'm behind on my Russian conspiracy theories. What's this one about? <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the narrative "there was no Russian meddling?" When did the goalposts get changed to "there was meddling but what is the problem?"</quote> Probably when the definition of "meddling" got changed. Especially since a lot of things people are calling "meddling" now -- such as running bad PR against candidates -- are things other nations have literally been doing all along without anybody criticizing it. Otherwise, if Russia was actually behind the DNC hack -- which, by the way, we only really have the DNC's word for because they handed over their consultant's findings to the intelligence agencies rather than any hardware -- that's clearly meddling and a problem. However, a lot of the claims of meddling are speculative at best where we can track IP activity to Russia -- assuming that they aren't just tunneling -- but that doesn't automatically entail that the government is behind it. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the narrative "there was no Russian meddling?" When did the goalposts get changed to "there was meddling but what is the problem?"</quote> Once the kids were forced to admit they set up a meeting hoping to get dirt from Russia on Hillary because they wanted Trump to win.</quote> Which had nothing to do with the meddling claims we'd heard all along and, more importantly, resulted in nothing considering that even if they got something they never used it. <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>thats just them getting information from someone. shouldn't even be a crime. if it had been some random american nobody would have made a fuss</quote> It's a somewhat silly double-standard, and overlooks that information can be more important than how it's acquired. Granted, with a foreign power as the source (or a super-pac, corporation, etc), the information isn't always reliable because of possible agendas. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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