hard to have a gun in your hand without pulling it at some point
Is this a serious post?
define "serious"
Cops come up to a man holding a gun in the car. He is ordered to put the gun down repeatedly with the threat of force if he does not comply. He is talking abd acting erractically with hand gestures where the gun is flailing about and being pointed in cops directions.
Cops come up to man. He pulls a gun out of his pocket.
Scenario 1 jakyl thinks that does not justify force. Scenario 2 he says does.
You literally just said scenario 1 can never happen cuz he cant be holding a weapon before a cop is there and can only pull a weapon on a cop if its in his hand.
wow, that's a weird definition for the word "serious"