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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration
WhoopsyDaisy 09/06/17 5:19:09 PM #104:	dowolf posted... So while I do not have specific numbers, it is generally accepted that illegal immigrants are a net boon to the government's coffers. The reason for this is that they pay taxes (e.g. sales tax, property tax either directly [from owning a home] or indirectly [some of that rent check is going towards that], payroll taxes if they are not being paid under the table [happens a lot -- an employer can honestly say "Well I had no idea he was illegal" because they chose not to ask the question and get away with that, but if they start dodging taxes, Uncle Sam's not gonna be too happy]), but do not have the ability to receive any benefits (as a lazy example, you can't get Social Security without a valid SSN). As for roads, this comes down to economics of scale. A road takes more wear and tear from one winter than it does from a year of cars, for instance, and having more people does not increase the amount of roads necessary by a proportionate amount. There will always have to be a single well-maintained road through the desert no matter how many people live in the surrounding areas, for instance. While that may seem reductionary, there's a lot of open space in this country punctuated by spread-out population centers, so that's a really large percentage of the roads. And I should probably stop editing posts a hundred times but YOU CAN'T STOP ME. I've looked around and it seems like the costs and benefits are kind of all over the place. I found a cool site that shows a whole bunch of pro and con arguments along with their sources, so I'll probably be looking through that. https://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788 banananor posted... i guess people sort of start with what they can see. kind of explains why people in the states that accept the most federal aid tend to vote against federal aid- they see more being drained than being replaced and make those negative associations with the system Yeah probably, that would make sense if they're focusing on the ones who are already net costs --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin <cite>WhoopsyDaisy posted [p:886143267] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>So while I do not have specific numbers, it is generally accepted that illegal immigrants are a net boon to the government's coffers. The reason for this is that they pay taxes (e.g. sales tax, property tax either directly [from owning a home] or indirectly [some of that rent check is going towards that], payroll taxes if they are not being paid under the table [happens a lot -- an employer can honestly say "Well I had no idea he was illegal" because they chose not to ask the question and get away with that, but if they start dodging taxes, Uncle Sam's not gonna be too happy]), but do not have the ability to receive any benefits (as a lazy example, you can't get Social Security without a valid SSN). As for roads, this comes down to economics of scale. A road takes more wear and tear from one winter than it does from a year of cars, for instance, and having more people does not increase the amount of roads necessary by a proportionate amount. There will always have to be a single well-maintained road through the desert no matter how many people live in the surrounding areas, for instance. While that may seem reductionary, there's a lot of open space in this country punctuated by spread-out population centers, so that's a really large percentage of the roads. And I should probably stop editing posts a hundred times but YOU CAN'T STOP ME.</quote> I've looked around and it seems like the costs and benefits are kind of all over the place. I found a cool site that shows a whole bunch of pro and con arguments along with their sources, so I'll probably be looking through that. https://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788 <cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>i guess people sort of start with what they can see. kind of explains why people in the states that accept the most federal aid tend to vote against federal aid- they see more being drained than being replaced and make those negative associations with the system</quote> Yeah probably, that would make sense if they're focusing on the ones who are already net costs --- senorhousemouse "I feel like you can't be a real person" - OmarsComin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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