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Topic	Iceland approaches 100% abortion rate for down syndrome
Yaridovich 08/16/17 7:54:41 AM #93:	Sinroth posted... People with down syndrome are absolutely capable of having meaningful and fulfilling lives as much as you or I. This is about economic convenience. If it really was about the life and welfare of children, you would be arguing their support and non-discrimination from individuals, communities, and governments, rather than advocating their non-existent. And who's saying I don't? If the child is born, of course you support it and give it the best life possible, but also it would be perhaps a kinder thing to simply abort it. You're too involved in the whole morality of abortion. Not every child has to be born. Sinroth posted... No idea what your point is here. Even if you aren't pro-life, a foetus is unquestionably a potential human, and aborting that foetus is aborting at least a potential human. It is accurate to say you are denying that hypothetical person an existence. Potential this, potential that, fact of the matter is nobody knows and nobody would ever know. You get so hung up over what could be you lose sight of what is. If a person is aborted there's literally nothing there. There's no denying anything. Life doesn't work like programming code, where you just cite in a new example to see how things could have been. Sinroth posted... Completely bizarre. It is meaningful to talk about hypotheticals and what-ifs, including the hypothetical life of an aborted down syndrome foetus --- a potential human who could have lived as happily as someone without down syndrome. But instead they don't exist and you don't know any the better. It's all about emotions, right? The morals that you sling around at the mere notion of something happening and it's because of that you can't seem to understand that there's no use in talking about potentials. If it's born, yes, support it to the ends of the earth, love it, pray for its happy life but if its not then what the fuck do you even know about it? Sinroth posted... The article and topic are about people and foetuses with down syndrome. People with down syndrome, despite their, are absolutely capable of meaningful and fulfilling lives. No fucking SHIT. I feel like every time you say this you get farther from the point. Sinroth posted... Denying life to a person because it has down syndrome is disgusting. I think the big problem here is that my philosophy is of course a person can exist happily with down's syndrome, but why should they have to? whereas yours is Everybody should exist without question. To me, the square ends of life are non-existence, a state in which nobody can comprehend. I feel it is better to simply leave a life in such a state rather than give it an existence I know would be hindered, DESPITE the happiness they could find in it. It's all or nothing with creating life, there is no excuse for in-betweens. Sinroth posted... Worthless point, nobody consents to their existence. Not worthless, because those that exist determine when and how those that don't do (what a cluttered sentence). The onus of life rests on our shoulders and it's irresponsible and as I've been saying, borderline evil to simply mandate that everybody is to be born despite what they may be born with. --- Talk about backseat fishing http://i.imgur.com/VqWjuCs.png <cite>Yaridovich posted [p:884871967] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>People with down syndrome are absolutely capable of having meaningful and fulfilling lives as much as you or I. This is about economic convenience. If it really was about the life and welfare of children, you would be arguing their support and non-discrimination from individuals, communities, and governments, rather than advocating their non-existent.</quote> And who's saying I don't? If the child is born, of course you support it and give it the best life possible, but also it would be perhaps a kinder thing to simply abort it. You're too involved in the whole morality of abortion. Not every child has to be born. <cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>No idea what your point is here. Even if you aren't pro-life, a foetus is unquestionably a potential human, and aborting that foetus is aborting at least a potential human. It is accurate to say you are denying that hypothetical person an existence.</quote> Potential this, potential that, fact of the matter is nobody knows and nobody would ever know. You get so hung up over what could be you lose sight of what is. If a person is aborted there's literally nothing there. There's no denying anything. Life doesn't work like programming code, where you just cite in a new example to see how things could have been. <cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Completely bizarre. It is meaningful to talk about hypotheticals and what-ifs, including the hypothetical life of an aborted down syndrome foetus --- a potential human who could have lived as happily as someone without down syndrome.</quote> But instead they don't exist and you don't know any the better. It's all about emotions, right? The morals that you sling around at the mere notion of something happening and it's because of that you can't seem to understand that there's no use in talking about potentials. If it's born, yes, support it to the ends of the earth, love it, pray for its happy life but if its not then what the fuck do you even know about it? <cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>The article and topic are about people and foetuses with down syndrome. People with down syndrome, despite their, are absolutely capable of meaningful and fulfilling lives. </quote> No fucking SHIT. I feel like every time you say this you get farther from the point. <cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Denying life to a person because it has down syndrome is disgusting.</quote> I think the big problem here is that my philosophy is of course a person can exist happily with down's syndrome, but why should they have to? whereas yours is Everybody should exist without question. To me, the square ends of life are non-existence, a state in which nobody can comprehend. I feel it is better to simply leave a life in such a state rather than give it an existence I know would be hindered, DESPITE the happiness they could find in it. It's all or nothing with creating life, there is no excuse for in-betweens. <cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Worthless point, nobody consents to their existence.</quote> Not worthless, because those that exist determine when and how those that don't do (what a cluttered sentence). The onus of life rests on our shoulders and it's irresponsible and as I've been saying, borderline evil to simply mandate that everybody is to be born despite what they may be born with. --- Talk about backseat fishing http://i.imgur.com/VqWjuCs.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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