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| Topic | Trump says transgenders aren't allowed in the military, ok? |
| adjl 07/27/17 9:51:07 AM #81: | The_Beta_Male posted... trying to bait me into losing a whopping 0 karma? everyone knows my opinion of transgenders by now I don't really care about your opinion. I'm interested in your rationale. I mean, I'm not THAT interested, because I know there's not much there in which to be interested, but I figure your struggle to articulate something coherent and factually accurate would at least be entertaining. So go on. If you've got a real point to make, make it. If you don't, then sit down and keep quiet like a good little ignorant child. The grown-ups are talking. OhhhJa posted... Lol no. It's absolutely a "luxury" Untreated gender dysphoria has a 38% suicide rate. For many, sex reassignment surgery is the most effective treatment. The most effective treatment for a life-threatening condition should never be considered a luxury. If it is, the term loses all meaning in this context, because all health care is a "luxury" and trans people are just expecting the same "luxuries" that the military's offering everyone else. TheCyborgNinja posted... Gender reassignment isn't like curing blindness, deafness, or a kidney transplant though. It can be argued that it's optional in comparison. The person is technically healthy. Again, 38% suicide rate. Not all illness is physical, and you don't have to be physically ill for your life to be in danger from a disorder. TheCyborgNinja posted... The entitlement is found in expecting others to transition you because it's not in the same category at all as, say, hearing loss. The actual point I was making with that analogy is that lung transplants have nothing to do with asthma. Asthma's an autoimmune disease that targets the bronchi and trachea; replacing lungs isn't going to do anything to fix it. Instead, asthma's treated with steroids and other anti-inflammatory drugs that relax the bronchial muscles and reduce the inflammation. If you had life-threatening asthma, you did receive these treatments, and that's a perfectly reasonable thing to expect because they were necessary to save your life. Expecting life-saving medical treatment to be covered by an organization that has promised to cover medical costs is far from feeling entitled. It's just holding them to their word. TheCyborgNinja posted... Ultimately, nobody here is going to change my mind though, and I don't expect anybody to not be a hippie about this here honestly, so there's not much point in me participating any further. We're all just banging our head against a wall. That's a terrible attitude to take in any argument. If your only opposition here were "no you're wrong!", sure, it'd be fine to accept that there was no point in arguing and walk away, but that's not what's happening. You've got people bringing up facts and clarifying your misconceptions, and rather than trying to refute these points, you're openly choosing to refuse to see reason. That's not good. I'm more than happy to discuss my position here in detail, and to listen to what you're basing your position on so we can have a proper argument, but that's not something that can happen unless you're willing to actually argue (and that's real arguing, not the Internet version of "arguing" that just consists of stating your point increasingly passionately with no changes until people get bored and walk away). I'm banging my head against a wall, yes, but you can choose not to be a wall. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard! |
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