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Topic	lots of people have been talking about trump getting impeached
MariaTaylor 07/12/17 11:15:34 PM #20:	alright I'll answer the two questions separately because they require different answers iiaattgg posted... why are so many people saying it is going to happen then? these are the same people who have been saying trump is finished or trump needs to be impeached for the last half a year or longer. what's happening here is these people want trump to be impeached and therefore they are using every event, conversation, or discussion as a pretext to achieve that end. rather than: "trump has done something worth of impeachment and Group A has responded by putting into play the appropriate motions" what we're seeing is: "trump has done something, and Group A has tried to find a way that this can be used as a reason to impeach him" this is why the issue has repeatedly come up and will continue to come up again and again. they want to see him impeached at all costs and by any means necessary. it might happen at some point but as for the current state of things I don't see it happening over this event. as for the people who believe it will happen as a result of this e-mail exchange, well, I mean, who knows. it might. but I think it's more likely their bias is clouding their judgment and they really just want it to happen, and so they are arguing that it will happen. iiaattgg posted... whats the deal there? so here's the tl;dr version donald trump jr was contacted by a person who claimed they had incriminating evidence regarding hillary clinton and wanted to set up a meeting donald trump jr said that he was busy but agreed to meet with this person anyway further e-mails released by DTJ himself reveal that he did in fact set up a meeting with a female lawyer from russia DTJ claims that the meeting was ultimately pointless and was basically just a waste of time important factor at play here: I think based on the CC of the e-mails and the context the current understanding is that paul manafort and jared kushner also attended the meeting, and at the very least knew about it. this is why I believe it's possible that jared kushner may be in trouble although it doesn't seem all that likely (I'll explain later). rob goldstone, the man who initially contacted DTJ to set up the meeting is probably not in any trouble unless this blows up and turns into something HUGE which does not seem likely based on the physical evidence so far. very likely this just goes away pretty quickly like every other scandal of the trump administration so far (there's a reason for this as well) reasons why people think donald trump jr is in trouble. essentially, they think he solicited a contribution from a foreign national. here's the issue with that line of thinking. solicitation: he did not go out of his way searching for information. someone contacted him first. this doesn't fit solicitation by any definition. okay, so even if he didn't solicit it what about receiving information from a foreign national? well, actually, apparently he didn't even receive any information anyway. I'd be very surprised if anyone could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did receive information since he can just simply claim that he didn't. foreign national: as far as we know this woman was not an agent of the russian government and did not meet with them as a representative of the russian government. it's possible that she actually is one but once again this isn't really something you're going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. from what I've seen she has claimed she is not and... well, for the more complicated stuff I'll wait till the jared kushner explanation. needless to say even if she is a member of the russian government this MAY not matter in certain contexts. --- Embodiment of Scarlet Devil http://i.imgur.com/1KnydFa.jpg <cite>MariaTaylor posted [p:882816224] in lots of pe... [t:75558682]...</cite> <quote>alright I'll answer the two questions separately because they require different answers <cite>iiaattgg posted...</cite> <quote>why are so many people saying it is going to happen then?</quote> these are the same people who have been saying trump is finished or trump needs to be impeached for the last half a year or longer. what's happening here is these people want trump to be impeached and therefore they are using every event, conversation, or discussion as a pretext to achieve that end. rather than: "trump has done something worth of impeachment and Group A has responded by putting into play the appropriate motions" what we're seeing is: "trump has done something, and Group A has tried to find a way that this can be used as a reason to impeach him" this is why the issue has repeatedly come up and will continue to come up again and again. they want to see him impeached at all costs and by any means necessary. it might happen at some point but as for the current state of things I don't see it happening over this event. as for the people who believe it will happen as a result of this e-mail exchange, well, I mean, who knows. it might. but I think it's more likely their bias is clouding their judgment and they really just want it to happen, and so they are arguing that it will happen. <cite>iiaattgg posted...</cite> <quote>whats the deal there?</quote> so here's the tl;dr version donald trump jr was contacted by a person who claimed they had incriminating evidence regarding hillary clinton and wanted to set up a meeting donald trump jr said that he was busy but agreed to meet with this person anyway further e-mails released by DTJ himself reveal that he did in fact set up a meeting with a female lawyer from russia DTJ claims that the meeting was ultimately pointless and was basically just a waste of time important factor at play here: I think based on the CC of the e-mails and the context the current understanding is that paul manafort and jared kushner also attended the meeting, and at the very least knew about it. this is why I believe it's possible that jared kushner may be in trouble although it doesn't seem all that likely (I'll explain later). rob goldstone, the man who initially contacted DTJ to set up the meeting is probably not in any trouble unless this blows up and turns into something HUGE which does not seem likely based on the physical evidence so far. very likely this just goes away pretty quickly like every other scandal of the trump administration so far (there's a reason for this as well) reasons why people think donald trump jr is in trouble. essentially, they think he solicited a contribution from a foreign national. here's the issue with that line of thinking. solicitation: he did not go out of his way searching for information. someone contacted him first. this doesn't fit solicitation by any definition. okay, so even if he didn't solicit it what about receiving information from a foreign national? well, actually, apparently he didn't even receive any information anyway. I'd be very surprised if anyone could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did receive information since he can just simply claim that he didn't. foreign national: as far as we know this woman was not an agent of the russian government and did not meet with them as a representative of the russian government. it's possible that she actually is one but once again this isn't really something you're going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. from what I've seen she has claimed she is not and... well, for the more complicated stuff I'll wait till the jared kushner explanation. needless to say even if she is a member of the russian government this MAY not matter in certain contexts. --- Embodiment of Scarlet Devil http://i.imgur.com/1KnydFa.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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