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Topic	Chrono Trigger Mafia Topic 9: All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu...
Lopen 03/29/17 9:10:14 AM #307:	bng_mmmk posted... My feelings about pj this game are exactly the same as my feelings about brohan after Majora's Mask mafia. Yeah, he didn't get lynched, which is obviously a plus. But what exactly makes him the most valuable player on the team? bng_mmmk posted... pj did a good job of keeping his head down and following incorrect town, but that isn't something that an entire scum team can get away with all at once. It has to be a mix. Well, first of all I think you can have every scum do that if they're all good and if every scum is very good at not generating suspicion then town players who just happen to be wrong and do so in a way that isn't graceful will do your work for you-- and this applies doubly so in a game where town is struggling. Like you say that random scum players drove home these lynches or whatever, but I mean, town wasn't even close to a scum lynch at any point EXCEPT with Ulti as the only people with good reads never pushed for them or built a case. Driving home a lynch on se7en isn't much of a feat when #2 is JC and Se7en was practically carrying a noose around. I guess what I'm saying is every scum player can be twisted to look good in a game where the town is bad. I don't actually think the best scum player would necessarily always be the one that is least suspicious, but in a game where the town is bad the best scum player is the one that's hardest to determine is scum. Playmaking just isn't really necessary. I will say that I guess one aspect of dowolf's play in particular I probably underrated is that he was very good at seeming active and vaguely pushing for a lynch, but not doing so in an aggressive enough way that it actually made information come out. So basically it seemed like town was doing something but it was really doing nothing. So he may have actually helped the game seem a lot less productive than it could've been. Like replace him with a less active player and one of the town members with good reads may have actually been compelled to press for one of their suspicions. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:876100100] in Chrono Tri... [t:75170268]...</cite> <quote><cite>bng_mmmk posted...</cite> <quote>My feelings about pj this game are exactly the same as my feelings about brohan after Majora's Mask mafia. Yeah, he didn't get lynched, which is obviously a plus. But what exactly makes him the most valuable player on the team? </quote> <cite>bng_mmmk posted...</cite> <quote>pj did a good job of keeping his head down and following incorrect town, but that isn't something that an entire scum team can get away with all at once. It has to be a mix.</quote> Well, first of all I think you can have every scum do that if they're all good and if every scum is very good at not generating suspicion then town players who just happen to be wrong and do so in a way that isn't graceful will do your work for you-- and this applies doubly so in a game where town is struggling. Like you say that random scum players drove home these lynches or whatever, but I mean, town wasn't even close to a scum lynch at any point EXCEPT with Ulti as the only people with good reads never pushed for them or built a case. Driving home a lynch on se7en isn't much of a feat when #2 is JC and Se7en was practically carrying a noose around. I guess what I'm saying is every scum player can be twisted to look good in a game where the town is bad. I don't actually think the best scum player would necessarily always be the one that is least suspicious, but in a game where the town is bad the best scum player is the one that's hardest to determine is scum. Playmaking just isn't really necessary. I will say that I guess one aspect of dowolf's play in particular I probably underrated is that he was very good at seeming active and vaguely pushing for a lynch, but not doing so in an aggressive enough way that it actually made information come out. So basically it seemed like town was doing something but it was really doing nothing. So he may have actually helped the game seem a lot less productive than it could've been. Like replace him with a less active player and one of the town members with good reads may have actually been compelled to press for one of their suspicions. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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