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Topic	Ciel nosurge (in English) - A watchthrough topic Spoilers
xp1337 02/25/17 9:11:58 AM #101:	yessssssssssssssss I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem like an impatient jerk but my hype for you reaching "Ionasal"/Video 135 was through the roof. That reveal! Nay's situation should be further clarified later. Without watching to double-check, I think it should definitely be pretty cleared up in video 163 (distance in terms of videos because of the extra scenario stuff coming up, it's actually a fairly early Chapter 9 video) and 110% clear in some of the very much later videos. If you absolutely want to know now though: The transfer happened in the memory where Nay and Young Ion are in that white room. Nay's soul was moved from her original body to a tron, and the Ion we know was pulled from her world and into Nay's original body. Later, Fractel placed her in the body she currently has as Nay. The original Tenmon plan was to just dispose of Nay's soul, Fractel went rogue here. Nay met Zill in her Sharl Body shortly after all this, Young Ion was just used in those scenes as a stand-in. There's more detail I can provide here but I have a feeling you aren't reading this now so by the time you do you might have the answers you need so uh... when/if you read this and you still want more detail/clarification, let me know. Robazoid posted... Last question I have: Nay and Ion were the ones who went back in time, but did they replace their past selves too? Or is there still a scared Ion somewhere and another Nay being held by Zill's goons? This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned. Check those out for black_raen's better description of what exactly happened, but here's my condensed version. No, there's no doubles of Ion and Nay. Part of the revert that Nay performs included the alteration that Ion and Nay were basically teleported to the Center of Power so they could stop Zill and Nero. Basically the song Nay sung went: Step 1: Roll everything back to the point Ion specified. Step 2: Teleport Ion and Nay to the Center of Power. Additionally, only Ion and Nay retain memories of the bad future. Nay because she was the singer and Ion because she has Oversight. Ah well, maybe it doesn't matter, but I am worried about Nay apparently needing regular injections to not die. Not sure how she's going to get those after going back in time! Oh, no. Nay is fine. That part was something Zill did to her after she was captured. Presumably after the events of the original Chapter 7 and she returned from Genomirai after Nero was returned. So the revert would have "fixed" that by making it never happen. It's a bit weird to follow because it's easy to think of it as Nay physically time travelling back from Chapter 8, but again because of dimension mechanics used in Ciel nosurge that isn't quite what happened. If you mean because she's a Sharl and the problems that come with that (which was a separate issue) Zill fixed that way back when she and Nay made their deal when she gave her SHS Heteromycin. Even if she wasn't, it would "just" mean she's like Tele-kun and would need to be chained to someone for energy. Robazoid posted... Thank you again for typing it up... and for introducing me to Ciel nosurge in the first place! This has been quite a ride already and it isn't even over yet. I'm just really happy you're enjoying it. I was afraid you wouldn't and I'd have wasted all your time. >_> Robazoid posted... [People who aren't Ion] > Nay you are still tracking this character ranking Nay going to continue her ascension to the heavens of this character ranking, tbqh. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:873818197] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>yessssssssssssssss I didn't say anything because I didn't want to seem like an impatient jerk but my hype for you reaching "Ionasal"/Video 135 was through the roof. That reveal! Nay's situation should be further clarified later. Without watching to double-check, I think it should definitely be pretty cleared up in video 163 (distance in terms of videos because of the extra scenario stuff coming up, it's actually a fairly early Chapter 9 video) and 110% clear in some of the very much later videos. If you absolutely want to know now though: The transfer happened in the memory where Nay and Young Ion are in that white room. Nay's soul was moved from her original body to a tron, and the Ion we know was pulled from her world and into Nay's original body. Later, Fractel placed her in the body she currently has as Nay. The original Tenmon plan was to just dispose of Nay's soul, Fractel went rogue here. Nay met Zill in her Sharl Body shortly after all this, Young Ion was just used in those scenes as a stand-in. There's more detail I can provide here but I have a feeling you aren't reading this now so by the time you do you might have the answers you need so uh... when/if you read this and you still want more detail/clarification, let me know. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Last question I have: Nay and Ion were the ones who went back in time, but did they replace their past selves too? Or is there still a scared Ion somewhere and another Nay being held by Zill's goons?</quote> This was actually the thing explained in the youtube comments of Video 139 I mentioned. Check those out for black_raen's better description of what exactly happened, but here's my condensed version. No, there's no doubles of Ion and Nay. Part of the revert that Nay performs included the alteration that Ion and Nay were basically teleported to the Center of Power so they could stop Zill and Nero. Basically the song Nay sung went: Step 1: Roll everything back to the point Ion specified. Step 2: Teleport Ion and Nay to the Center of Power. Additionally, only Ion and Nay retain memories of the bad future. Nay because she was the singer and Ion because she has Oversight. <quote>Ah well, maybe it doesn't matter, but I am worried about Nay apparently needing regular injections to not die. Not sure how she's going to get those after going back in time!</quote> Oh, no. Nay is fine. That part was something Zill did to her after she was captured. Presumably after the events of the original Chapter 7 and she returned from Genomirai after Nero was returned. So the revert would have "fixed" that by making it never happen. It's a bit weird to follow because it's easy to think of it as Nay physically time travelling back from Chapter 8, but again because of dimension mechanics used in Ciel nosurge that isn't quite what happened. If you mean because she's a Sharl and the problems that come with that (which was a separate issue) Zill fixed that way back when she and Nay made their deal when she gave her SHS Heteromycin. Even if she wasn't, it would "just" mean she's like Tele-kun and would need to be chained to someone for energy. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>Thank you again for typing it up... and for introducing me to Ciel nosurge in the first place! This has been quite a ride already and it isn't even over yet.</quote> I'm just really happy you're enjoying it. I was afraid you wouldn't and I'd have wasted all your time. >_> <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>[People who aren't Ion] > Nay</quote> you are still tracking this character ranking Nay going to continue her ascension to the heavens of this character ranking, tbqh. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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