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Fenriswolf 03/09/24 2:23:07 AM #108:	Ninjaluver posted... The truth is that anybody claiming that they know Israel has committed or is committing genocide is talking out of their ass because such a conclusion could not be reached on the information available to the public at this point in time, which is why not even the ICJ was able to reach that conclusion at this point. You do know lots of genocides in history were never found guilty in courts of law and the victims were never compensated, like those ones against Native Americans? That doesn't mean it's not genocide. I've wasted hundreds of hours reading into the Israel-Palestine conflict, and by reading, I don't mean Twitter threads. The more I read, the more I realize how little I and almost everyone else knows. There are no clear answers here. Both sides have been the "bad guys" and the "good guys" many times. This is probably the most complicated geopolitical situation in well-documented history. Anybody who strongly feels that there is a good guy and a bad guy here simply doesn't know what they don't know. What I do know is the people from both sides got royally fucked over by the mistakes of several world powers multiple times. Israel has a right to exist, and the people who now identify as Palestinians did not deserve their current situation. Both sides have terrible governing powers, both sides have unhinged sections of their population that support those corrupt powers. A one-state solution would be the dream in an ideal world but is totally unrealistic in the world we actually live in, and too many on both sides are at this point not willing to accept a two-state solution despite that being the only realistic solution. You know what else is complicated? Pretty much every other geopolitical conflict including Russia-Ukraine, so quit using the "both sides" argument. The fact that Ukraine has extremist groups like Azov does not absolve Russia of condemnation, and the existence of terrorist groups like Hamas doesn't absolve Israel of condemnation either. Are you saying that you know more than ICC judges and even human rights organizations like Amnesty International, who you falsely accused of "anti-Israel bias" even though they criticize countries the West dislike like China and Russia far more? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-fear-in-rafah-as-israel-prepares-ground-attack?update=2695243 Are you also denying the fact that Israeli politicians have consistently dehumanized Palestinians, like Yoav Gallant calling Palestinians "human animals" and they will "eliminate everything", Avi Dichter and Ariel Kallner calling for another Nakba, Amihai Eliyahu and Tally Gotliv calling for Gaza to be nuked, and general Giora Eiland calling for Gaza to be razed to the ground? Even Bibi himself compared Gaza to the Amaleks, a frequent dogwhistle by extreme Zionists to justify Palestinian genocide. https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/13/23954731/genocide-israel-gaza-palestine https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909 --- Hello <cite>Fenriswolf posted [p:979271875] in If you wan... [t:80716097]...</cite> <quote>Ninjaluver posted... </cite><quote>The truth is that anybody claiming that they know Israel has committed or is committing genocide is talking out of their ass because such a conclusion could not be reached on the information available to the public at this point in time, which is why not even the ICJ was able to reach that conclusion at this point.</quote>You do know lots of genocides in history were never found guilty in courts of law and the victims were never compensated, like those ones against Native Americans? That doesn't mean it's not genocide.<quote>I've wasted hundreds of hours reading into the Israel-Palestine conflict, and by reading, I don't mean Twitter threads. The more I read, the more I realize how little I and almost everyone else knows. There are no clear answers here. Both sides have been the "bad guys" and the "good guys" many times. This is probably the most complicated geopolitical situation in well-documented history. Anybody who strongly feels that there is a good guy and a bad guy here simply doesn't know what they don't know.What I do know is the people from both sides got royally fucked over by the mistakes of several world powers multiple times. Israel has a right to exist, and the people who now identify as Palestinians did not deserve their current situation. Both sides have terrible governing powers, both sides have unhinged sections of their population that support those corrupt powers. A one-state solution would be the dream in an ideal world but is totally unrealistic in the world we actually live in, and too many on both sides are at this point not willing to accept a two-state solution despite that being the only realistic solution.</quote>You know what else is complicated? Pretty much every other geopolitical conflict including Russia-Ukraine, so quit using the "both sides" argument. The fact that Ukraine has extremist groups like Azov does not absolve Russia of condemnation, and the existence of terrorist groups like Hamas doesn't absolve Israel of condemnation either.Are you saying that you know more than ICC judges and even human rights organizations like Amnesty International, who you falsely accused of "anti-Israel bias" even though they criticize countries the West dislike like China and Russia far more?https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/2/9/israels-war-on-gaza-live-fear-in-rafah-as-israel-prepares-ground-attack?update=2695243Are you also denying the fact that Israeli politicians have consistently dehumanized Palestinians, like Yoav Gallant calling Palestinians "human animals" and they will "eliminate everything", Avi Dichter and Ariel Kallner calling for another Nakba, Amihai Eliyahu and Tally Gotliv calling for Gaza to be nuked, and general Giora Eiland calling for Gaza to be razed to the ground? Even Bibi himself compared Gaza to the Amaleks, a frequent dogwhistle by extreme Zionists to justify Palestinian genocide.https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/13/23954731/genocide-israel-gaza-palestinehttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909 --- Hello</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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