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BoshStrikesBack
10/14/11 10:19:00 AM
#144:


...A diet that doesn't work, for any reason is a diet you should shut up about unless you figure out an actionable solution for it. Sure there's a difference, but when you care about losing weight it's not a goddamn meaningful difference.

I'm sorry, who is this "you" we're talking about? You seem insistent on referring to specific people or groups, but I'm merely referring to the simplicity of the steps of the diet. "Making healthy choices and exercising" is a) very simple to understand, b) cost-efficient, and c) does not require a heavy investment in time or research, unlike most other elaborate dieting plans.

To say that a diet "doesn't work" because people don't follow the diet is highly misleading. If you want to argue that "making healthy choices and exercising" is some hugely difficult thing to adhere to, that's an entirely different discussion (although you'll have a hard time convincing people that "choosing an apple over an apple pie" is some stupendous sign of strength).

A starvation diet, or a diet of sawdust are both VERY EFFECTIVE means of losing weight, even better than 15% caloric restriction diets, why don't I hear about them then?

Actually, no, these are not healthy alternatives to lose weight. But you know this already.

Before i do it, I want to confirm that 1) You mean to say any low fat and high carb diet is "healthy" and that 2) ANY type of exercise does not lead to weight loss and 3) This all applies in the long term, as in 1+ years, correct?

1) No, what I mean to say is the following: take the typical American diet, remove the majority of high-fat/high-sugar options and replace it with healthier (yet still convenient) options, and I guarantee that obesity will drop dramatically. "High carb and low fat" isn't what I'm getting at; rather, it's approaching the right amount of carbs and the right amount of fats (and, needless to say, a healthier diet typically includes more complex carbs and fewer saturated fats).

2) Did you mean to say that "ANY type of exercise leads to weight loss"? If so, then I can't agree with this either. Exercise does burn off calories, however, and is safer (and easier!) than merely starving your body. Speaking generally, an hour or so of exercise a day helps keep the body active, healthy, and contributes to maintaining a good weight.

3) Of course.

I will also say that I will not offer studies with under 50~ people, but I will include rodent studies as weak examples of evidence. Is that good enough?

Sounds fine to me.

Also, I want you to state how confident you are that 1) You are completely right, 2) You are right in part and 3) That I'll post studies 4) That those studies will validate your point.

My position is extremely conservative and simple to understand, so yes, I'm confident I'm correct. And again, I'm always up for being proven wrong, so if you've got in your possession some miracle studies that prove "eat healthy and exercise" is some grand lie, then by all means, show me the way. But please, don't misrepresent my position or twist my words!

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