Manual Topics > Kuge will be on "To Catch A Preditor" next week. (serious)

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Dark Young Link
07.20.2007 5:06:33 am
#51:


Chris Hansen is not the one broadcasting it. Jeeze.


Fine. 2 out of 3 -.-
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thundersheep
07.20.2007 5:09:26 am
#52:


From AtlusSaGa Posted 7/20/2007 3:00:49 AM #044
I feel sorry for the guys that get caught.... really. It's not their fault.

Are you ****ing kidding?


I wasn't aware being a pedo was a choice, but thats not my beef. It's the whole set up, it's ****ed up to set people up and charge them before any crime is committed I know 13 year olds aren't mature enough to make decisions for themselves etc. but their treating these guys like rapists when nothing has happened. It's like pulling a gun out on someone and getting charged for murder...

I can't make myself feel sorry for any 13 year old that acts like these guys do on the show, while it's the adult's duty to not give in, it's still ****ed up to lure someone in that has a condition like that.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:11:46 am
#53:


It's pretty much like, tieing up someone's family member, threatening to kill them. Then giving them a loaded gun.

And finally, when they shoot the person, charging THEM for murder.
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CountCrazy007
07.20.2007 5:12:04 am
#54:


So do you disagree with the practice of sting operations as a whole?
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AtlusSaGa
07.20.2007 5:14:21 am
#55:



Did you say this on the pretense that I mean ALL sexual assault victims are stupid? That would mean you didn't read the topic at all and failed to realize that I mean anyone that gets sexually assaulted as a result of them agreeing to meet someone they met online.


Sorry, I missed this. Anyway, I would probably guess the actual amount of 13 year old girls that set up sex meetings with a 40 year old astronomically low, and the ones that do aren't neccesarily "moronic". A healthy 13 year old with a nice life doesn't all of a sudden decide "Hey, I should get on the AIM and find some old guy to have sex with!". I can't even imagine the amount of abuse a girl would have had to endure to put herself in that situation. It's easy to say "lol what a stupid whore", but there's a lot more to it than that. Saying she deserves it is both stupid and cruel.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:14:25 am
#56:


It depends on how serious the sting operation is, but yes I do. People going in and asking to buy cigarrettes just to get an employee fired from perhaps the only job that's keeping them able to make a living is seriously ****ed up.
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Heroic Hero Dude
07.20.2007 5:15:06 am
#57:


It's pretty much like, tieing up someone's family member, threatening to kill them. Then giving them a loaded gun.

And finally, when they shoot the person, charging THEM for murder.


Except like... nothing like that.

No one is holding the pedophile's family hostage. No one is threatening them. These are people who are on the internet actively seeking out minors who make the choice to go meet a minor with the intention to have sex.

And then it turns out to be the police and they get arrested. They're clearly pedophiles with the intent to have sex with children. Arresting them keeps them from actually getting a real kid.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:15:46 am
#58:


Saying she deserves it is both stupid and cruel.

Well maybe she doesn't completely deserve it, but I'm well past forgiving people for stupidity. And you'd be really surprised at the number of 12 and 13 year olds that just get on the internet and who they talk to.
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Heroic Hero Dude
07.20.2007 5:16:01 am
#59:


People going in and asking to buy cigarrettes just to get an employee fired from perhaps the only job that's keeping them able to make a living is seriously ****ed up.

If they need the job so badly maybe they should like... do it well?
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AtlusSaGa
07.20.2007 5:18:46 am
#60:



I wasn't aware being a pedo was a choice, but thats not my beef. It's the whole set up, it's ****ed up to set people up and charge them before any crime is committed I know 13 year olds aren't mature enough to make decisions for themselves etc. but their treating these guys like rapists when nothing has happened. It's like pulling a gun out on someone and getting charged for murder...

I can't make myself feel sorry for any 13 year old that acts like these guys do on the show, while it's the adult's duty to not give in, it's still ****ed up to lure someone in that has a condition like that.


No, being a pedo is not a choice, but driving to a house to have sex with a 13 year old is a choice. I imagine there are a lot of pedophiles out there who know how ****ed up they are and don't act on their impulses. I feel sorry for these people almost. It must be terrible to have such a condition which you know is wrong and ****ed up, but you can't really do anything about it. However, once they actually try to get into a 13 year olds pants, that's where my sympathy ends.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:22:13 am
#61:


I'm anxious to see what they did to Kuge, because I really doubt he's a pedo.
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AtlusSaGa
07.20.2007 5:23:24 am
#62:


I really doubt this isn't a joke topic.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:24:54 am
#63:


^That's true.

I'm kind of hoping it's true, not that I want to see Kuge get his name dragged through the mud, but because it's interesting, and if he could pull off a successful lawsuit against NBC, that'd be so badass.
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thundersheep
07.20.2007 5:25:21 am
#64:


Meh... I bet if the chick told them she was 23 or whatever they'd still go for it. I don't think it's the age as much as the look.

But while going after someone's 13 year old daughter is messed up, these guys don't deserve to be humiliated on T.V. over it. No crime was committed. It's just as bad as when they publish pictures of accused rapists before they're convicted... people never forget that stuff. Who knows maybe they would have felt bad about it and turned back before sex, we'll never find out.
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Heroic Hero Dude
07.20.2007 5:25:30 am
#65:


To Catch a Predator was just on like... yesterday. I don't think there would be another one next week... there's usually more of a gap than that.

So yeah, I kinda doubt this too, but whatever.
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Heroic Hero Dude
07.20.2007 5:26:53 am
#66:


But while going after someone's 13 year old daughter is messed up, these guys don't deserve to be humiliated on T.V. over it. No crime was committed. It's just as bad as when they publish pictures of accused rapists before they're convicted... people never forget that stuff. Who knows maybe they would have felt bad about it and turned back before sex, we'll never find out.

Some of the stuff the guy's do over the internet is illegal too, so it's like already too late for them by the time they get to the house.

Like when they send nude pictures of themselves.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 5:33:17 am
#67:


Extha, shut the **** up, you dimwitted, big-mouthed devilchild of Harry Potter and Urkel.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:37:53 am
#68:


Extha, shut the **** up, you dimwitted, big-mouthed devilchild of Harry Potter and Urkel.

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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:40:41 am
#69:


and to further emphasize:

No!
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 5:42:43 am
#70:


A thirteen-year old doesn't know crap. She might think she's in love, or just excersizing poor judgement, to put the blame on her and call them whores is sick.

Extha,really, wise up. You're being a moron.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:44:15 am
#71:


Shake is this part of your whole crusade, like where you think anyone that looks at lolicon should be tied up and murdered?

Because after that whole ordeal you kind of lost any right to ever call someone a moron. ESPECIALLY not about this subject.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 5:44:17 am
#72:


I just watched an episode of this show where a 26-year old went to meet a thirteen year old with condom and lubricant in hand.

It's a good show. If anything, it might teach young girls a thing or two about chatrooms.

And those guys deserve prison sentences. The humiliation is just for my benefit.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:45:04 am
#73:


A thirteen-year old doesn't know crap. She might think she's in love, or just excersizing poor judgement, to put the blame on her and call them whores is sick.

I never called them whores, and by 13 you're old enough to know not to ****ing meet strangers in a park. If you're not, then that's a serious knock against parenting nowadays.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:45:54 am
#74:


And those guys deserve prison sentences. The humiliation is just for my benefit.

No, people that set kittens on fire deserve prison sentences. THESE are the ones who need psychological help.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 5:50:48 am
#75:


There's no talking to you. By thirteen you're old enough? What the hell do you think you know? You think you got a handle on things? You know all there is to know, do you?

I'm twenty-three and I'm still learning every year. If you're friggin' thirteen and you make the dumb mistake of meeting a 33-year old somewhere, you don't deserve to be sexually abused. You don't know what you're doing.

And why the hell aren't you giving these sickos any crap for meeting those girls at their house? They don't deserve public humiliation? It's their dignity you're concerned with?

It's a very suspicious ground to take, Ex. But hey, who cares, I'm outta here anyway. Still, **** you.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 5:52:23 am
#76:


****ing hive full of pedophiles anyway, this board. I sincerely wish they're all dead by tomorrow.
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hhswatkins
07.20.2007 5:52:58 am
#77:


No, people that set kittens on fire deserve prison sentences. THESE are the ones who need psychological help.

I agree


also: lol serious discussions are abound tonight
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:53:23 am
#78:


I said already that they deserve the public humiliation for being half-wits and sexual deviants. It appears you just came into this topic with the purpose of slamming the first person you disagreed with. You're usually not like that, Shake. You usually actually read what you're responding to.

And I know enough to know that when you're 13, you've heard enough in school and learned enough from your parents about strangers. And you ****ing know how dangerous the internet can be.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:54:32 am
#79:


****ing hive full of pedophiles anyway, this board. I sincerely wish they're all dead by tomorrow.

You know you'd think that you had some deal with pedophilia in your own life or something, like I did. Yet you're the one reacting like a goddamn moronic barbarian about the whole thing. I don't know why it strikes such a damn chord with you, but it always has, and I just can't figure it out.
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thundersheep
07.20.2007 5:54:52 am
#80:


There's no talking to you. By thirteen you're old enough? What the hell do you think you know? You think you got a handle on things? You know all there is to know, do you?

By 6 you know not to talk to strangers... you know not to tell anyone on the phone that you're home alone. By 13 I'd damn well hope to God that you know you shouldn't be inviting 30 year old men into your ****ing house after they tell you they want to have sex with you. It's idiotic.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 5:58:03 am
#81:


And you say there's no talking to me when you just wished death upon like half this board. That's funny.
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AtlusSaGa
07.20.2007 6:00:49 am
#82:


Like I already said before, a healthy 13 year old with a nice life just doesn't do these things. It's the ones that have already suffered years of abuse that meet strangers at a McDonalds for sex. You guys have no ****ing clue what going through that kind of abuse can do to a person. It seriously messes you up. Quit saying they're "idiotic", because you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Etecoon
07.20.2007 6:01:03 am
#83:


And you say there's no talking to me when you just wished death upon like half this board. That's funny.

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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 6:03:57 am
#84:


Quit saying they're "idiotic", because you really have no idea what you're talking about.

There are plenty that think they have wonderful internet boyfriends that they want to meet for real, and end up getting hurt pretty badly.

if half the board is pedophiles I could understand the frustration, though o.o

No, Shake is mad because he and Black Turtle were made to look like morons back when they were condemning people for looking at drawings. This was like a year ago, and it consumed the board for a good long time. I think any topic with "loli" in the title got to 500 guaranteed within hours for a good month or so.
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Etecoon
07.20.2007 6:06:55 am
#85:


shake didn't come off as nearly the ass that turtle did. I mean, yeah, there was the same "I hope you people all die" stuff, but he actually made a reasonable argument for why it was wrong <_< I also like how you left ulti out of it >_> <_<
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Sculptureshi
07.20.2007 6:10:00 am
#86:


Seriously all pedophiles deserve to be brutally murdered LOL SEE WAT I DED THERE
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 6:20:56 am
#87:


And I know enough to know that when you're 13, you've heard enough in school and learned enough from your parents about strangers. And you ****ing know how dangerous the internet can be.

No, you don't know. Just read back what the hell you wrote here. Everyone that's thirteen is automatically warned enough (in the estimation of the esteemed mister Extha) would be so misguided it's impossible, therefore they must be simply willing.

Even if they are willing, it's still a crime for a good reason. At thirteen, you're half a person, you're still in growth, still in development, and although you think you know it all, you don't know jack all, and that's why we withhold choices from thirteen-year olds, that's why we don't grant thirteen0year olds independence, and that's why we don't let them sleep with whoever they wanted.

Hormones raging, inexperience, a half-developed brain, but hey, Extha says you're in complete control. Swing for the fences, kid.

Honestly, Ex -- I'd peg you as dumber than any kid who's made such an unfortunate mistake. You type things that I don't know where you got them from. Guy agrees to meet a thirteen-year old, let's focus on the stupidity of the girl and send the man away for some psychiatric help because he's confused but the thirteen-year old is stupid. In addition, she's also a slut and knew exactly what she was doing. The guy was the victim here, really.
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DSRage_Revived
07.20.2007 1:03:53 pm
#88:


ExTha...um some things you say in this topic are stupider than anything I have ever said. I doubt that is a stretch either...


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FigureOfSpeech
07.20.2007 1:30:47 pm
#89:


If you're friggin' thirteen and you make the dumb mistake of meeting a 33-year old somewhere, you don't deserve to be sexually abused. You don't know what you're doing.

any what exactly do you think these girls are planning to do when meeting those guys?

a 13 year old girl invites an older guy to her house for sex and then complains about having sex with said guy, she's a ****ing moron.

and that's why we withhold choices from thirteen-year olds, that's why we don't grant thirteen0year olds independence, and that's why we don't let them sleep with whoever they wanted.

but what's far more important is that we still hold them accountable for their bad decisions.

Honestly, Ex -- I'd peg you as dumber than any kid who's made such an unfortunate mistake. You type things that I don't know where you got them from. Guy agrees to meet a thirteen-year old, let's focus on the stupidity of the girl and send the man away for some psychiatric help because he's confused but the thirteen-year old is stupid. In addition, she's also a slut and knew exactly what she was doing. The guy was the victim here, really.

you're leaving out the fact that not all of those those guys agree to meet 13 year olds. There aren't ****ing photo ID's and ID scanners over the internet. Yeah, the guys on that show are told the "girls they're meeting" are 12/13/14/whatever, but in many other cases, they might be lied to. Chatrooms are the easiest way for 13 year olds to pretend they're older. Even then, some 13 year old girls look older too. Some guy might go to meet a girl he was told is 18, shows up at her house and she looks 18+, what reason would he have to think she's younger? Your problem Shake is that you apply the exact same cut-and-dry logic to every situation as if they're all the same. Either you're ignoring the exceptions or you're saying exceptions don't exist.

A friend of my cousin got arrested for soliciting a minor or whatever that charge is called for trying to pick up a 15 year old girl at a bar. Well, this is America. In America, you have to be 21 to drink. Every bar I've been to either cards people at the door or inside before serving drinks. The girl said she was 22. My cousin's friend was drinking with her. He said she looked as old as she said she was. She apparently talked about a local college as if she went there. If she was 15, she wouldn't have been in that bar drinking unless she had a fake ID that was good enough to fool the people working there. This guy had no ****ing reason at all to even consider the possibility that she might be underage. They left together and apparently a cop pulled up along side them (they were walking) because of "public drunkenness" or something. When he ran their IDs, hers came up as fake. She admitted to being only 15 and he was hauled off on the spot. Charges were dropped, but he was told that he was very lucky. The guy was the victim here, really.
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 1:33:55 pm
#90:


ExTha...um some things you say in this topic are stupider than anything I have ever said. I doubt that is a stretch either...

DSR, it honestly depends on what side of the spectrum you're on. I view Shake as saying some of the most idiotic things I've ever heard on the subject. It's pretty much subjective as to your own personal beliefs... so don't act as though you honestly have some authority to say something like that and be correct.
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Alex Shelley
07.20.2007 1:35:47 pm
#91:


this sucks
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GANON1025
07.20.2007 1:37:36 pm
#92:


extha is on crazy guy. who knows what he'll say next?
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 1:38:04 pm
#93:


Your problem Shake is that you apply the exact same cut-and-dry logic to every situation as if they're all the same. Either you're ignoring the exceptions or you're saying exceptions don't exist.

Shake's problem is that he's bat**** insane about this subject and that he has a vendetta against ANYONE that might even POSSIBLY be a pedophile, and he has the same vendetta against anyone that even slightly defends them.

He basically wants a large group of people to be killed over something that they have no control over.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 1:39:15 pm
#94:


The guy was the victim here, really.

Yes, he was. And that has **** all to do with what we were talking about. See, this guy that I know took a drunk highschool girl home from her prom and had sex with her while she was half-conscious. This obviously means something and helps my point, because it's vaguely related to what we are discussing.
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07.20.2007 1:40:15 pm
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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 1:41:02 pm
#96:


^Kleenex please tell me that's Luster.
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X_Dante_X
07.20.2007 1:41:25 pm
#97:


Thats luster, Extha.
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KleenexTissue50
07.20.2007 1:42:00 pm
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You are damn right it's Luster.
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TheCatWhoSwims
07.20.2007 1:42:17 pm
#99:


He basically wants a large group of people to be killed over something that they have no control over.

They have as much control as you and I. If there was a girl I really wanted badly and she was half-undressed completely drunk and vulnerable on a couch and I know I could, would I? No.

I'm done. You still have no idea what kind of rambling nonsense you're spraying.

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ExThaNemesis
07.20.2007 1:44:57 pm
#100:


No, Shake, I have every idea. You've said before you wish anyone that looks a lolicon to death, and a sexual impulse is something created by the pituitary gland, and isn't something you have control over.

Now I can almost understand wanting people that act on the impulse to die, but there's a large number of people that don't, and wanting them to die is moronic.

And how many times are you going to say that you're done? If you're done then ****ing leave and quit spouting your extremist bull**** and acting like you know what you're talking about more than anyone else, because you sure as hell do not.
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