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Mordresh + Youthful Brewmaster = Rank 1 Legend

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skull

New Illucia is really interesting

Illucia
Battlecry: Delete this card from your collection and add 1600 dust or 3200 if golden

But seriously they completely gutted this card away from even it's original intention. A better nerf idea I saw on reddit was switch your hand and deck with your opponent but switch BACK at the end of your turn. So you still get to play your opponents cards but they don't skip their next turn if you're playing aggro.

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skull

High Quality Battlegrounds Guide 2021

Are beasts in the game?

Yes - force beasts
No - force demons
Both gone - force mechs
All gone - lol idk force murlocs I guess

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skull

Oh I meant you auto lose to Warlock if you're playing Control/Rush Warrior. Shadow Priest vs Warlock was pretty much a guaranteed win and I wasn't even running Bonechewer Brawler.

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skull

One of my losses was actually to a Control warrior running the rush package so yeah that makes sense. I don't feel like enough people are playing Shadow Priest from D5 to legend to justify playing that deck though since you auto lose to Mage/Warlock.

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skull

Just hit legend with Shadow Priest. Basically a guaranteed win against Warlock and Mage but very hard matchups against Shaman, Paladin, and Taunt Druid.

Dumping your hand and playing Illucia might be my favorite awful thing to do in Hearthstone.

There was also a game with Gandling where I played him on turn 3 with two 0 minions, played raise dead and then played the 0 minions again. So I summoned a 3/6 and four 4/4s on turn 3. Maybe the most oppressive opening in standard right now but it's crazy rare to actually happen.

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skull

Started getting tilted by Paladins on ladder and decided to try out a regular Control Warlock from the last expansion.

For the love of god do NOT try this if you ever want to play Hearthstone again.

(didn't run into a single Paladin btw)

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skull

This guy's guide says to use INT Angel Freiza

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/c43dc131-5302-400a-a8d7-428862ec3e77

This mode seems pretty easy if you just treat it like a nuke event. If you have 2 nukers you're guaranteed to get one of them on turn 4 and turn 5.

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skull

Finished my last round on Freiza and no luck :-(

I think this is the first major celebration where I didn't get at least one LR which sucks but it was bound to happen eventually.

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skull

LR Moori and Dende

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skull

Yeah I think the only three options for the LR are Gohan, Ginyu, or Ginyu(Goku). Thinking Gohan is probably more likely

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skull

I woke up today actually excited to play some Hearthstone (for some reason) and I was completely deflated after a few games against Quest Mage. Such an unfun experience to play against that deck

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skull

IDK what I'm doing wrong in Battlegrounds right now but I'm getting absolutely fucked every game.

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skull

Last game all of the top 4 were playing Razorgore + Whelper

I won because mine was 72/1201 and the others were in the 400 to 600 range. My game crashed and I didn't even get to see the final combat though. How did they remove the frog so quickly but leave this in the game?

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skull

I mean STR Cooler isn't going to carry any teams but he's a support and leader for Transformation boost so optimal floater.

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skull

Not a bad haul! LR STR Vegito is probably my favorite card I've acquired this year so it's nice you pulled him. His defense is crazy

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skull

That looks like good positioning to me but yeah I would have put the Baron in I think.

There's a bug with Rattlegore and the new card that gives +2 health to dragons when they gain attack. For some reason it's giving him way too much health. I had a golden health giver and a regular and he was getting like 200 health a turn with 4 dragons on board.

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skull

Swordz you're crazy you have like 500+ kais don't you? The support for this game is going to end and you're going to have 2000 kais sitting in your box.

I have 100 kais in my box and about 50 type kais and I never have issues using kais on new units.

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skull

Yeah it's like top 5 iconic Goku quotes and they messed it up. Truly baffling

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skull

Nice try but we know Arm builds are dead now with that nerf. How do you expect to pull off a reasonable Mech Arm build (or any Arm build) now that she has 4 health instead of 5?

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skull

Damage cap is pretty cool but my gut feeling is that it's not enough yet. We'll see though!

Also one of the devs on twitter confirmed that Avenge can trigger multiple times. Hopefully the animation is quick because it's going to be triggering a lot.

Also with that confirmed this new card is actually nuts:

Tier 3
Bird Buddy
Avenge (1): Give your Beasts +1/+1

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skull

Avenge is a very interesting keyword and I'm excited to see where it goes.

Very notable cards being removed:

Toxfin - no more poison murlocs unless you get the new avenge one!

Tormented Ritualist
Qiraji Harbiner - No more scam taunt builds in the early game!

Faceless Taverngoer - No more easy triples with this fella :-(

Pack Leader - early beast builds need to rely on avenge for tokens instead of big attack buffs?

Junkbot
Waxrider Togwaggle - Something about losing to these cards in the early/mid game always felt lame because you knew the guy was going to fall off hard in like 3 turns

Tide Razor - no more getting highrolled by boat and taking 25 damage!

ALSO Holy Mecherel made me actually laugh out loud that they printed this card again and the pun name. No poisonous is weaker but new divine shield buffs make it interesting.

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skull

Freiza wrecked all 3 of my AGL teams. I usually only do BF once so it's a bummer I gotta go through the whole thing again just to beat Freiza.

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skull

That's how I feel about GT Goku after using him for the first time. Yeah he's a nuker but he's getting like 4mil+ damage stats at 55%.

And yeah the new LR Goku is crazy IDK how the Reddit thought he was underwhelming. My original critique was that it sucks he only stacks defense on his 12 ki but with additionals it actually ends up stronger that way! Also both new LRs have mega-colossal damage on their 12 ki supers which is new for an LR. That's why they do so much damage even with 12 ki supers.

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skull

Goku has 5 phases and the first 4 fights are honestly pretty easy so it's still probably worth it to just bring DEF stackers to beat him. My Full Power team got wrecked by phase 4 because I was not prepared for so many phases.

Beating it with 6 extreme Planet Namek Saga characters seems impossible without double LR Freiza though

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skull

Okay the new LR active skills activate when the ENEMY is under 30% hp, not Goku/Freiza, so those are a lot better actually.

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skull

A round on each banner got me:

LR AGL Gohan (he's already rainbow)
PHY GT Goku (new)

that's it lol

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skull

Goku stacking defense on his 12 ki kinda sucks because you're not going to want to launch his 18 ki for harder events.

Other than that I think the LRs sound very good. The active skills suck but at least they're not a transformation or something.

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skull

Kinda bored with the meta so I'm trying weird decks like Lady Prestor Warrior and it really brings out what I hate about Hearthstone and card games in general. I can't speak for everyone obviously but I think if you're not playing meta decks you're just not going to have any fun. You can sit and make silly decks all day but you're going to lose every game if you ever try to actually play with them.

If I'm playing Street Fighter I can go into ranked matches with any character and have fun and win matches because of my ability. But in Hearthstone I feel like matches are 90% decided by your deck and 10% by how you actually pilot that deck.

Even in other games like Runeterra I can feel like I'm actually making choices in a game and I can recognize misplays but with Hearthstone you just have to hope you draw the cards you need when you need them. The entire strategy in Hearthstone is resource management but lately it's more about quantity than quality of resources.

At the end of the day what do I really enjoy about playing this game? It's not deckbuilding, it's not a test of skill like Street Fighter, it's not a game of wits, so what is it? Sometimes it feels like a coinflip simulator with more steps which is also why I quit solo queue Dota 2.

I'm not exactly saying anything new here and this is basically just a late night ramble but I'm starting to feel the same things I felt the last time I quit Hearthstone. Has anyone else quit Hearthstone and come back or had thoughts of quitting?

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skull

Yeah that was actually my 2nd TEQ Broly dupe, 4th Goten/Trunks dupe, and 1st SSJ3 Goku dupe. I also would have preferred some new LRs but I can't complain about pulling 3.

All 3 of these pulls were actually from the 7 ticket summons too. When I did my first 50 pull I had Hercule riding Buu which I thought meant it was another LR but nope.

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skull

Got 3 LRs with my 142 tickets so hopefully my pull luck isnt screwed.

TEQ Broly
AGL Goten and Trunks
TEQ SSJ3 Goku

I also got a bunch of DFE cards but no SSJ2 Vegeta

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skull

lol the new intro video shows Vegeta, Goku, and Freiza. Guess we know the Part 2 LR!

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skull

New missions are up but the slowdown is still pretty awful. Hopefully it's better by tomorrow!

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skull

Stealer of Souls: the first card you draw this turn costs health instead of mana
Backfire to 4 mana

Okay maybe not the backfire nerf but IDK what else they nerf. Maybe the weapon gets nerfed?

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skull

I mean none of the cards I mentioned even have DFE so a jump to LR would be pretty wild.

Also I think JP really loves Android 17 for some reason.

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skull

I can't really see them doing any combo of Gohan/Vegeta/Krillin for the Part 2 LR just because I'm doubtful of the hype they'd generate unfortunately. Maybe Vegeta but he was the Part 2 LR for last year's WWC (Buu Saga Vegeta but still).

So the only other options are Nail, Ginyu, Dodoria or Cui which also seems unlikely. I'd love to be surprised but I can't see them doing any of these cards for an LR!

I mean Trunks is a long shot too but IDK.

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skull

So what do you guys think the 2nd part LR will be?

I'm thinking either Mecha Freiza or Trunks. It's been a looong time since we've got a SSJ Trunks from when he fought Freiza.

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GANON1025 posted...

We're lucky to even have Hercule's gifts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

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skull

Just had a battlegrounds game with Brann Murlocs and I did not see a single poison murloc in 12 turns. I had 5 or 6 primalfins, 2 Hamuuls, and tons of spins. It feels almost impossible/bugged to not see that card once with as many chances as I had but that's RNG I guess.

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skull

Only card I need from the right side is INT Gotenks but I need TEQ Buu and TEQ SSJ2 Vegeta from the left side so that's the banner I'm going to prioritize I think. If I pull a copy of Vegeta I'll probably switch to the right side banner because the dupes have a lot more value there.

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skull

Gohan Blanco you cowards

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skull

Maybe they throw us a SUPER curveball and it's actually Moro and Vegeta DDF

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skull

That flurgl change seems pretty cuckoo to me. Super easy triples in the early game and now you can actually play good minions early and still transition to murlocs later.

I like all of the nerfs but it kinda feels like instead of dying on turn 6 you're going to die on turn 8 now. Sure that's two more turns but is it really going to make a huge difference?

They obliterated OTK DH though with a 2 mana nerf on Illy. I think if these questlines were a year old they'd be getting obliterated too instead of slight nerfs on mostly old cards.

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skull

Just hit legend with VS Doomhammer Elemental Shaman

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/decks/doom-elemental-shaman/

Literally 11-0 from Diamond 3 to Legend

My last game was against a mage and I hit him for 22 damage on turn 8 with 3 rockbiter weapons. Felt pretty satisfying to completely dumpster that deck


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https://screenrant.com/marvel-what-if-season-2-captain-carter-details/

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It's just ridiculous that you have to clear EVERY enemy against paladin or else you're going to potentially take 20+ damage the next turn. It's like shaman going wide every single turn for the whole game back when bloodlust existed and then eventually they drop 12/12 divine shields too.

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skull

More whining:

People are upset that mage can do 25+ damage from hand after completing their quest.

If Paladin manages to stick two 1/1s on the board (pretty easy with divine shield) then on turn 7 they can do 28 damage with battlemaster and two convictions without a quest.

The devs say that they don't know how to make 10 mana cards anymore because they need to basically win the game at that mana cost. I'm not saying this card should be 10 mana but honestly I think it would still see play at 7 mana. Maybe even 8 mana!

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skull

Hit my limit today with this expansion and I'm just going to play Quest Mage until it's nerfed at this point. I've tried about 10 different decks and the only thing that felt even a little good was OTK DH.

When I try aggro I lose to Paladins with 16/16 divine shield taunts on turn 7 or my board gets frozen/cleared by Mage/Warlock until they finish their combo and demolish you.

Control doesn't exist so the only other option is to play OTK/combo decks and hope you're faster than your opponent.

As I'm typing this I played a game as quest mage against aggro Shaman. He drew pretty well and I literally froze all of his damage dealing minions every turn until I cleared them with AOE and fire. I played Dawngrasp on 7 mana and I had 33 health left.

I know people are having success with aggro and other stuff but good lord this game just feels MISERABLE right now if you're not playing this deck. But now I suspect I'll run into mage counters and tilt myself into oblivion so let's see how it goes I guess.

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skull

Yeah voice acting was a little rough but it was okay. I think they missed an opportunity for Winter Soldier Steve Rogers since Captain Carter is going to be in Season 2.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

yeah, I definitely have moments where I feel like I am telling the game to do a thing but the little delay means I get interrupted by a hit or something

often its an issue with trying to start scoring a goal. there will be a moment where its not happening and Im not sure if I screwed up or not and then sometimes Ill press X again and it actually was happening, so now Ive screwed up the thing that wasnt actually screwed up?

feels bad

Oh yeah goal scoring feels AWFUL most of the time. It's especially bad after Zapdos when the goal is open. You stand there and hold X and you can't tell if you're actually doing anything for .5 seconds then BAM you score. Of all the things that need to be instant why is there a delay on that?

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skull