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I think the joke of the scene is that Chalmers' tone makes it sound like he knows Skinner is lying, and is getting fed up with his bullshit. Then at the end with the most outrageous lie, we see that he sincerely was believing all along.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Then you just randomly ad hominem...

No, ad hominem would be if I said you were stupid. What I said was that your question is stupid. There is a difference.

It's like, if someone came on here and said "I think Christians shouldn't go to jail for any crime. If they confess their sins to God, that's enough," you would think they were being stupid right? To the point where you might be annoyed at even having to argue.

That's what I think. I think it should be so obvious to everyone that putting a kid with Downs syndrome in facilities like these, I kind of resent having to argue.

The thing is, these facilities have something like one adult for every hundred kids. That makes it extremely unlikely that kids with special needs are getting proper care, even if they have properly trained people there. Someone else said this:

iClockwork posted...

There are medical personal on site that can and will help this child and her disability while their parents are processed.

which is an extremely vague statement. Even if they were in proper facilities with good adult supervision, that would be unsatisfying. When we have hundreds of kids on mats in chain link enclosures, the idea that this is enough to be confident that a kid with Downs syndrome will be getting proper care is also ludicrous.

My bringing your username, Knowledge_King, I admit does not help my argument. I saw the low hanging fruit and couldn't resist the joke. Please forgive me.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Why is it bad, without using your heart and feelings. Why would she be an exception?

Because it's much more dangerous for her to be locked up without proper supervision. It is much more important to allow her caretakers who understand her condition to care for her compared to other children. Especially when there is zero evidence that they are putting people with knowledge of and experience with special needs children (preferably Downs syndrome). Not to mention she is such an easy target for bullies if she's by herself.

Like, why would you not know that kids with Downs syndrome need more attention than other kids? Questions like this make me think maybe you should have picked Stupidity_King for your username. Because that's how idiotic you are being.
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PanzerElite posted...

pegging is super ultra turbo beta

don't care

would still do it if she's hot
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CoolBeansAvl posted...

What size strap-on will she use

So TC, would you be down with that?

Seriously if she agreed to switch off I would totally let a hot Asian lady peg me.

Actually this goes for a hot lady of any race.
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Wow every time I think Trump supporters have reached an absolute bottom in terms of being despicable human beings, they keep finding new lows.
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dameon_reaper posted...

WELP, looking at the site now, it says "Sorry your package is late and now expected to be june 20-22"

WOW. I better get a refund for this bs one day delivery...

You certainly should be able to get back at least the extra you paid for 1-day delivery. I'm pretty sure that people always do if this happens.
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Outfit is fine though I'm not a fan of the art style.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Is anywhere else as bad as CE about the SJW paranoia bullshit? Like, do people in real life really go around complaining about the SJW bogeyman to justify hating pretty much everything under the sun? Isn't there a great irony that the people who argue that an action movie is just a movie with no deeper incentive to commit violence being the ones who are looking for secret SJW messages in every single piece of media they encounter?

In other places on the internet? Hell yes. In real life? I haven't seen it, but maybe there are communities that complain about this bullshit a lot.
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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

action52 posted...

Tell you what, if you stop hiring black porn stars with the most insanely big dicks you can find, stop having the black actors play stereotypically tough or "thuggish" characters, stop having videos where the actress moans about how big and sexy the dick is, stop playing into the old stereotypes of black men as animalistic sex monsters, and treat ALL your interracial porn the same way you treat white on white porn, then MAYBE you can complain about white actresses wanting more money for interracial scenes.

The company in OP literally has a black guy still in high school that is none of those things. They also use a young white dude but that is off topic. Their gimmick overall these days is using young men with MILFs or to make incest videos.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfNqVqZV4AA1xEc.jpg

Well if it's the site mentioned in the first response, I know they have done plenty of content that appeals to racist stereotypes. In fact I went to the interracial section of their site and the front page was filled with big dick stars along with descriptions of how the white actresses were going to take their "monster cocks."

So even if this site is getting a little more "woke" in recent years they still have no problems profiting off of the questionable stuff they have made.

I mean I'm not even saying they don't have a right to do it. Just don't jump on women for wanting fair pay.
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The hypocrisy of these porn companies disgust me. They have no shame about marketing their black on white porn to pander to people's racist fetishes, but when women ask for more money in exchange for the income they are bringing by satisfying these fetishes, all of a sudden it's the actress who is racist.

I'm not saying women are automatically above criticism for the choices they make regarding race in porn, but the porn companies that profit off racist stereotypes have no right to criticize the women. All they want is some of the extra money that these porn companies KNOW THEY WILL BE GETTING when a woman agrees to do black on white scenes.

Hey all you porn companies! Tell you what. If you stop hiring black porn stars with the most insanely big dicks you can find, stop having the black actors play stereotypically tough or "thuggish" characters, stop having videos where the actress moans about how big and sexy the dick is, stop playing into the old stereotypes of black men as animalistic sex monsters, and treat ALL your interracial porn the same way you treat white on white porn, then MAYBE you can complain about white actresses wanting more money for interracial scenes.

Otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP and pay women what they deserve.
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I would say he almost definitely has Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). I mean he's a textbook case.

Doesn't look likely that he's suffering from anything like dementia or Alzheimer's though. Most of the crazy things he says are based on not caring to know the facts, or pathologically lying because of his NPD, or just spouting off things without bothering to think them through.
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JE19426 posted...

action52 posted...

No, yours is a non-statement.

Yeah, it would be great if society didn't divide substances based on what was arbitrarily determined immoral and illegal in the Victorian era. But they do. You're just pointing out what everyone knows. What is the point?

No, my statement is a question. You can tell by the question marks at the end.

okay
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If Reagan had followed up that statement by waving a magic wand that created jobs for everyone, then it wouldn't be a stupid thing to say.
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JE19426 posted...

action52 posted...

If you can find a way to go back in time 150 years and change the way we think about them, that would be awesome.

What a non-statement.

No, yours is a non-statement.

Yeah, it would be great if society didn't divide substances based on what was arbitrarily determined immoral and illegal in the Victorian era. But they do. You're just pointing out what everyone knows. What is the point?
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JE19426 posted...

action52 posted...

Because like it or not, illegal drugs are often categorized differently than legal ones. I'm sure they have had studies of the effects of legal substances too but they probably don't feel the need to compare them to illegal ones.

Why would they be put in different categorie by a non-legal, non-crime organisation? It makes no sense for them to go "well these have similar effects but the law says they are x and not y so we'll seperate them".

If you can find a way to go back in time 150 years and change the way we think about them, that would be awesome.

I'm wondering how you made it this far in life without noticing though.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I loved it. Probably my favorite MCU movie, honestly.

Me too. I liked the humor, loved the Buck Rogers space opera feel to a lot of it, and the fish out of water way that Thor has to interact with this world.

Also I loved Valkyrie and Korg. (Infinity War Spoilers) I was so worried they died in that big attack by Thanos at the beginning of IW but so relieved to hear they probably survived.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

action52 posted...

But to feel like "a Mexican at a Republican conference" seems a little exaggerated. Unless you're talking about the mainstream,

I'm talking about my experience in Japan dude.

Well I'm wondering why you felt that way. Like I said there's plenty of condescension and "positive" stereotyping but not a lot of hostility.
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JE19426 posted...

action52 posted...
I'm not sure what your point is. It should be obvious that legal substances like alcohol and tobacco are excluded.

Why would they be excluded? It's a study by the The National Center of Neurology and Psychiatry not a crime agency.

Because like it or not, illegal drugs are often categorized differently than legal ones. I'm sure they have had studies of the effects of legal substances too but they probably don't feel the need to compare them to illegal ones.

It's always been this way. Did you not know that?
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Oh and the image of Japanese "hating" foreigners is definitely overstated. It's nothing like the way conservatives treat blacks, Muslims, or latinos. Interestingly it's probably closer to the way east Asians are treated than anything else. A lot of patronizing and they love to say all the "good" stereotypes. There's still a sense of "us" versus "them" but generally not a hostile or paranoid one. Of course there are still subtle forms of discrimination in terms of being easily intimidated, more likely to blame for a crime, etc. But probably less than bigoted Americans would be.

Of course there are problems. One problem with Japanese xenophobia/racism is be that because it's so subtle, it's almost never questioned and much more deeply ingrained. It's hard to even have discussions with Japanese people about it.

But to feel like "a Mexican at a Republican conference" seems a little ingrained. Unless you're talking about the mainstream, "friendly" side where they push all these policies that are terrible for your race but act like they're being fair and it's just the best for everybody, and acting like they totally like and accept you but it's really obviously phony. I guess Japan resembles that aspect a little.

But very little hatefulness and they actually consume a lot of foreign products and pop culture.

SOURCE: I am sitting in the staff room of a Japanese elementary school as I type this.
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JE19426 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

alcohol is legal

I'm not sure what your point is. Alcohol being legal doesn't prevent it from being abused, and the article only says the most abused substance, it doesn't say the most abused illegal substance.

I'm not sure what your point is. It should be obvious that legal substances like alcohol and tobacco are excluded.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Bullshit. Can't be higher than alcohol.

Obviously they are talking about illegal substances.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

There are concerns that young people in particular are susceptible to marijuana use out of curiosity, with some believing marijuana is less harmful than other types of drugs.

That's cause it is How many people have died of a marijuana overdose?
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Stormy Daniels.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

lmfao, liberals will take any ammunition they can find, it's just pitiful

what are you talking about? did you not hear what he said?

So you have no problem with what Trump said, right @Vindris_SNH?
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I look at this topic, I see nothing but liars trying to cover up that they just fapped to Orangina commercials.
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Parappa09 posted...

action52 posted...

Holy shit, I can't believe what I'm reading in this topic!

People still say yolo in 2018?

yolo is a way of life, not some 2012 fad

Yes, a way of life that will never disappear. It will live on forever Gangnam style!
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Holy shit, I can't believe what I'm reading in this topic!

People still say yolo in 2018?
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Kisai posted...

When I was a kid, I never thought of those crows as racist. I'm still not convinced that was the intention.

I don't think the intentions were bad. I don't think the makers should be condemned or thought of as racist relative to their time. But it certainly has not aged well.

Having a white guy voice the leader, "Jim" Crow, who speaks in stereotypical black speak... probably the intention was to show the black characters as sympathizing and identifying with Dumbo more than other characters because of their own oppression. But the cheap jokes combined with a white actor copying black speech just is not cool in today's world, with good reason. I do think the people making it did not mean to be hurtful to blacks in any way.

Unfortunately it has not aged well.

I love the movie but that is definitely the part that bothers me the most watching it now.
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pres_madagascar posted...

DrizztLink posted...

I need a face swap.

This

https://imgur.com/oVUVwS8
You're welcome.
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COVxy posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

COVxy posted...

If you suspect a potential spy, you restrict information to only those essential to the operation.

He wasn't essential until he f***ed it all up.

Which again was so few people that a mutiny brewed. And considering that Poe would be essential to keeping morale in check...

Expecting her to predict a mutiny is praising shitty writing, not the other way around.

Yeah, and I would think it's fair to say that the mutiny happening was due to Holdo's weakness as a leader. She did her best, but it was a high stress situation and as smart as she was, she was no Leia Organa.

Maybe telling Poe would have been a better move. But it makes sense that she didn't based on what she knew at the time.

Forget about there being a mole. We don't need to think there's a spy for her actions to make sense. It's just common wisdom that loose lips sink ships, and usually an army does not tell its plans to people unless they need to know. Because even if people aren't spies they might inadvertently allow the enemy to know. The more people know, the higher the chances are of something leaking (as they DID leak, because of Poe). So most important plans are kept on a need to know basis. Poe did not need to know.

Also they DID say in the movie that people were deserting. What if she told the plan to everyone, then someone deserted, and they got captured by the First Order? Five seconds with Kylo Ren and their secret plan would be blown.
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dave_is_slick posted...

action52 posted...

Anyway, every time I've watched it all I've seen is Holdo refusing to give him information.

How do you not see that that looks and sounds exactly like she didn't have a plan? Let him know they have some kind of end goal, the likelihood of a mutiny is drastically decreased.

Well that might have been a better course of action with Poe considering his personality. But it's reasonable that she didn't do this considering their situation.

Yes, sometimes people do refuse to give information because they're hiding the fact that they have no plan. I saw nothing in the movie suggesting that this was the case though.
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I always get her mixed up with Amy Anderssen, who is kind of similar looking only she has even more ridiculously huge fake boobs.

https://imgur.com/sM0oTRz

Often I see photos of Ava Addams and think "oh, she got her breasts reduced. Probably better that way for health reasons."

Then I remember it's someone else.
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marthsheretoo posted...

action52 posted...

How did she act like there wasn't a plan? In fact he overheard them talking about the plan and leaked it.

Watch the movie again dawg

Specifically the scene where Holdo and Poe first talk

I remember the scene well. Poe tries to push himself in as part of the leadership, and starts asking about the plans. She tells him to stop nosing around, get to his post, and follow orders.

First time I watched, I was still seeing Poe as the hero, partly because of his awesome piloting and the way they took down that dreadnaught. So I immediately took his side and resented Holdo. I even started thinking that she was secretly a mole planning on betraying them to the First Order.

The second time around, the impact of how bad Poe had been before hit me. The way he had disobeyed orders and all those people died because of it. I also saw it more from Holdo's point of view. That she was a fish out of water, surrounded by people she didn't know. So here comes this young hotshot, acting all buddy buddy like he's part of the inner circle of leaders even though he got demoted. And while he might have been that with Leia, Holdo doesn't know him so she ain't having it.

Anyway, every time I've watched it all I've seen is Holdo refusing to give him information. I don't see how that indicates she has no plan, just that she refuses to let Poe in it. If I missed something, please educate me.
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cjsdowg posted...

action52 posted...

How did she act like there wasn't a plan? In fact he overheard them talking about the plan and leaked it.

Poe: We had a Fleet and now we are down to one Ship. You have told us Nothing. When he heard the tail of some close to the plan not many rational people would think hey lets follow this person who has gotten people killed with out even explaining why.

He assumed she was screwing things up. I do think it's understandable for his situation, though I would still not say justified. Also I would say that when he overheard part of the plan, that would have been a good time for her to level with him, let him know part of the plan, and make sure he promised not to tell anyone. But she was mad (justifiably, because he was eavesdropping and immediately started demanding like he was entitled to know everything) and her anger led her to snap at him, dress him down, and dismiss him.

So definitely Holdo made some mistakes. But in the objective sense of how chain of command in a military works, Poe was much more wrong than she was. He was not justified in disobeying just because he thought her plan that she didn't tell him about was good enough. "If I followed the captain's orders we all would have died!" will not get you off in a court of martial law. Especially when you had been breaking orders to work behind that commanding officer's back, and those actions resulted in more than half of your forces dying.
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cjsdowg posted...

This was Holdo acting as if there wasn't a plan while people and ships were dying.

How did she act like there wasn't a plan? In fact he overheard them talking about the plan and leaked it.
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Pillowpantz posted...

So many of his movies are rapey too.

Yeah Manhattan sure aged poorly once we found about everything with his daughter.

The funny thing is, it might be true what he's saying. That he was always respectful, professional, and appropriate when working with people. But unfortunately for him no one cares when you LEAVE YOUR WIFE TO MARRY YOUR STEPDAUGHTER WHO YOU LIVED WITH SINCE SHE WAS A SMALL CHILD.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Notice that he had no opposition to her plan once he found out, but rather the idea that she had no plan to begin with. Leia probably would've told him if she wasn't out cold due to bad writing.

Leia might have told Poe. Whatever she did, it probably would have worked better because she's a better leader. Holdo is a brilliant tactician, but she's not as good at leading people. She comes off as cold and stuck up. She underestimates Poe's determination and how much everyone else loves him--Leia would never have done that.

At the end of the day, though, I don't see why people are acting like it makes no sense for her to have her plan be on a "need to know" basis. It's like the saying goes, loose lips sink ships. Regardless of whether they thought there was a spy, on general principle if you have a secret plan then you only inform the people who need to know it for some reason. We know that people are deserting--if they got captured, then the First Order would be almost guaranteed to find out the plan. And just on general principle, the more people that know about something the better chance there is of it somehow slipping to the enemy. It's why all militaries are very careful about who they tell plans to.

dave_is_slick posted...

action52 posted...
but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer?

Because said commanding officer was leading everyone to their deaths.

She wasn't, though. She made it clear that there was a plan. And the only reason her plan didn't work is because Poe blabbed about it during HIS secret plan. Which by the way, if a low ranking officer did something like that in the real US military he would be thrown in the brig and courtmartialed. Someone doing what Holdo did would maybe be slightly criticized by her superior officer for not executing it a little better.

A mutiny doesn't happen if just Poe doesn't believe in her.

This is an interesting point, and part of what I like. It's true--Poe has a lot of allies in his mutiny. This shows that Holdo failed on a certain level too. Like I said, she's a brilliant tactician but not a great leader. When it comes to inspiring people and gaining their trust, she isn't as good as Leia or even Poe. I think I would have liked the movie less if Holdo was just perfect in every way, but fortunately she's not. Her opening speech is kind of good, but the delivery is... meh. You can see the reactions around her are just polite acceptance. She's cold, condescending, and a little meaner to Poe than she needs to be. They make it so you don't really like her and even take Poe's side when he disobeys her. She's like the stuffy police chief yelling at the badass hero for not following the rules.

But in the end, Poe is still totally wrong. Because you can't disobey your boss just because they're a jerk. Even if they're really obnoxious, sometimes they still know more than you. So part of the reason things go wrong is because she's not as good as Leia. But we don't have Leia, and Holdo did the best she could.
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dave_is_slick posted...

action52 posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

action52 posted...

This is why it's hard to have discussions about this movie.

Bullshit. It's hard because some people refuse to even acknowledge the MANY flaws it had. I can definitely think of one off the top of my head.

Where did I say the movie had no flaws?

Where did I say I was talking about you?

Well I was talking about this topic.

Where in this topic did anyone say there were no flaws?
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dave_is_slick posted...

action52 posted...

This is why it's hard to have discussions about this movie.

Bullshit. It's hard because some people refuse to even acknowledge the MANY flaws it had. I can definitely think of one off the top of my head.

Where did I say the movie had no flaws?
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Why didn't Poe tell Holdo about his plan? Unlike Holdo, he was actually breaking the rules to do it. Hell, C-3PO even got all nervous when Poe was doing it.

Why does everybody act like Holdo was stupid to not tell everyone her plan, but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer?
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This topic is a perfect illustrations of how obnoxious the Last Jedi haters are.

Look, I'm not saying the scene is perfect or that there aren't valid criticisms of it. But instead we just have someone saying it's the worst opening scene EVER, and the topic immediately becomes a circle jerk of everyone complaining how they hate the movie.

This is why it's hard to have discussions about this movie.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

Giuliani is just trying to get fired at this point, right?

That's what I thought back in 2016, but here we are.
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Anteaterking posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

Anteaterking posted...

I don't even remember, what is the starting scene?

The scene where Poe flies his single fighter in front of the First Order ship and hails Hux and does the "I'm holding for Hux" gag.

It was cringe city.

Ah yeah, that was really dumb. It's one thing to be snarky when you get caught in a situation like that, but planning ahead?

It was meant as a distraction. Poe did it because he wanted to make Hux extra mad so he wouldn't notice what was going on.

SEE ALSO: Luke on Crait
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That butthole ain't right
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MakoReizei posted...

008Zulu posted...

From what I hear, they are re-working the premise of the show so it can continue without Barr's involvement.

How can they make it Rosanne minus Rosanne?

Just kill off the character and rename it The Tanner Family. It has been done before. Just look up "The Hogan Family."

Although I think it would be awesome if they renamed the show "No-seanne."
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One was a pro boxer.

The other was a U.S. spy.

I doubt I could take either of them.
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lilORANG posted...

1337toothbrush posted...

His argument has a disappointing lack of bananas.

Ah yes, the dreaded "atheist's nightmare"

No! NOOOO!!! SO MUCH TRUTH!! IT BURNS MY ATHEIST SOUL THAT I ERRONEOUSLY THOUGHT I DIDN'T HAVE!!!!!
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Splitting hairs over whether someone is an atheist or an agnostic does not "defeat" anybody unless their views are extremely undeveloped.
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NOM posted...

l Dudeboy l posted...

Amazon's mistake is my reward.

What if its anthrax?

Bad reward that would be

At first I saw this and thought you were meant a CD the band Anthrax, which was absolutely horrifying to imagine suddenly showing up in my house. Just the shock of opening it and seeing a fucking Anthrax CD would probably scar me for life. Ugh, Anthrax!

Then I realized you were referring to the disease. That would also be pretty bad, I guess.
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