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TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
08/16/12 4:55:00 PM
#102
#5 - Mary Costa as Princess Aurora - Sleeping Beauty (1959)

Best Song: Once Upon A Dream

Let's face it - Aurora is a boring character. Even compared to Snow White and Cinderella, who are often accused of being rather dull, I often wonder at how little people make the same complaints about Aurora, when she's basically all the previous Disney princesses recycled, with slightly less character. I think this is mindset probably how I've managed to talk myself into avoiding writing this entry for a full month, by convincing myself I'd have nothing to write about because she's just so boring.

But that's exactly the beauty of Mary Costa's performance - it's not boring in the slightest. And I'm realizing, now that I really think about it, that's why she's so good - people never realize how boring the character is because her performance is stellar. She brings character in where there's virtually none to be had on the page.

I don't think I need to say much about her singing voice. It's the perfect Disney princess voice - she has a clear, ringing soprano without being as grating as Snow White, but she also has a gorgeous, full alto without being as unremarkable as Cinderella (minus, as I have said, her gorgeous harmonies in Sing Sweet Nightingale, a song only akin to God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen in my confusion over where to put the comma). Her range, and her vocal tone, are utterly superb.

Now, I don't really remember the movie too well, so perhaps my misgivings were correct and I really didn't have enough to say, but I can't abide the idea of Chris bumping this topic with snide comments about my mafia play. Let me just say that when I did see Sleeping Beauty for the last time, I remembered not having liked it that much before, as it's basically a carbon copy of Snow White and Cinderella - but I became totally enchanted, by the beautiful art and by Mary Costa's (and Eleanor Audley's, to be fair) voice acting. I can safely say that she makes the movie much better than it otherwise would have - so much so, that she deserves a Top 5 spot on any list.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
08/16/12 4:55:00 PM
#101
Ahem.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
08/02/12 4:12:00 PM
#87
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TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/27/12 4:46:00 PM
#83
*has forgotten completely about this*

*unforgets*

*will get back to this tomorrow*
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/17/12 10:12:00 AM
#443
Oh man. Totally missed you getting back to this. Great write-ups, and none of the movies I really feared missing out on a spot in the top 10 actually did, so good on you. Our Top 10's are actually not that far apart (although I would've preferred seeing Hercules instead of a couple of them). I can't really predict yours, though, as for my money you're fairly...well, unpredictable. Awesome topic, though.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/16/12 4:34:00 PM
#62
#6 - Ming-Na and Lea Salonga as Fa Mulan - Mulan (1998)

Best Song: Reflection (duh)

I think this is the biggest gap in "quality of movie" to "quality of entry in this list". I've always thought of Mulan as a movie that's so-so at best, so it's difficult for me to put something from it this high on any list. Well, unless I was doing "best soundtrack moments", and then the music that plays when Mulan cuts her hair would easily make the Top 5. But the titular vocal performances from it are more than deserving, and in a way, I wish this had fit in the Top 5.

First of all, this has something very basic that the other two-voice teams on this list seem to lack: a speaking voice and a singing voice that match up almost perfectly. I've heard Lea Salonga speak (as she seems to for several minutes in all of her live performance videos on YouTube), and actually her speaking voice matches up fairly well to Ming-Na's, except the latter's is slightly less harsh, which makes her a better fit for the character. But really, unlike Jasmine, Pocahontas, Esmeralda, Anastasia, etc., it's never distracted me when Lea Salonga starts singing "Reflection", despite the fact that I know her voice so well. It's practically seamless, and there's no moment of "wait, that's totally not her voice". Maybe I just have a better ear than most, but that's no mean feat.

Now, in lieu of going on and on about Broadway stuff like I did in the last entry, I'll just say that even though Lea Salonga isn't my favorite, "Reflection" is a song that's practically tailor-made to her voice. It is the perfect song for her. In fact, for any of you who haven't ever heard her singing the full version of the song, here it is: It's quite the performance, and it's absolutely perfect for her.

But Ming-Na is really the best part of the movie, bar none. I have my issues with the songs that aren't called "Reflection", with the other characters, with Eddie Murphy, and with the story in general, but what really sells the movie is Ming-Na's fantastic performance as Mulan. It would be so easy to go over-the-top with the "pretending to be a man" schtick, but she walks that fine line between "cartoon" and "realism" just right for a (comparatively) light-hearted Disney movie.
I mean, Mulan definitely has its dark moments, but compared to a few of the movies in the Renaissance string that came before it (Lion King, Pocahontas, Hunchback), it's a gay romp in the park.

But anyway, we've now rounded out everybody but the Top 5. As they seem to be a bit too obvious, I'm going to stop giving hints now, but I'm interested to see if you can pinpoint who exactly is still missing. I think at least one of the entries will be quite surprising, as it's someone who has not yet been mentioned in either topic, but who I would never consider omitting from any decent Top 5.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/13/12 4:02:00 PM
#51
#7 - Anika Noni Rose as Tiana - The Princess and the Frog (2009)

Best Song: Almost There

I love my Broadway ladies. I really do. Most of my favorite female singers are from Broadway. Ruthie Henshall, Kerry Ellis, Linda Eder, Bernadette Peters, Audra McDonald, Kristin Chenoweth... I'm a gay theater nerd through and through, and these are some of my very favorite singers. And I have to say, if I looked up more of Anika Noni Rose's stuff, I wouldn't count out her being right up among these upper echelons of quality. With one performance in a Disney movie, she impressed the HELL out of me with her voice. And I've heard a lot, by the glory of YouTube, so it becomes harder and harder to impress me.

But she does. I can listen to Almost There, the Down in New Orleans reprise at the end, and even the end of the otherwise-kind of annoying "Dig a Little Deeper", just for those last few notes of hers, over and over again. Add to this a nice and likeable, charismatic performance through the rest of the movie, and you've got yourself a real winner and the star of the show in The Princess and the Frog.

And honestly, I don't have TOO much more to say than that. We've gotten to the point in the list where the only reason someone isn't higher is because she isn't the people above her. These Top 7 are, for my money, the elite of the elite, where I have virtually no complaints about their vocal performances in their films. The only thing I would really want from Anika's voice to make it even better is a little more grit. If any of you are as familiar with musical theater as I am, or if you read into my comparatively low placement of Paige O'Hara correctly, you'll know that the singers I REALLY love have a certain "edge" to their voice, particularly when they're belting, that I just don't get from Anika Noni Rose.

Granted, I've never really sought out other performances by her, and that could tip the balance in her favor, but for now, I'm very happy with where she is. The Princess and the Frog was a wonderful return to classic form from Disney, that had me ecstatic when I saw it in the theaters for the first time, and it is in large part thanks to this brilliant performance. I can only hope that y'all feel the same way about it.

Next HINT: Anastasia probably should've been an honorable mention, by definition. However, I would defend anybody putting this next character on any list of "Disney Princesses", even though she's not technically a princess by any definition.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/13/12 4:02:00 PM
#50
I want this on the top of a page.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/08/12 12:18:00 AM
#322
Pokewars posted...
From: StifledSilence | #319
and the Disney Renaissance began with a dummy giving away her voice.


>:|

Aaaaand now I'm retconning your Save My Disney Participants victory and giving it to.......Xuxon :P


We're not exact opposites.
TopicBoard 8's Top 100 Films ~Voting Phase~
Vengeful_KBM
07/07/12 11:21:00 AM
#125
51) Babylon 5: In the Beginning
TopicAre any of these Bioscumbag games worth my time?
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 6:00:00 PM
#9
"Anyways, yeah, as far as Bioware goes I've played about half wayish through KotOR and finally gave up on the crappy excuse of a "battle system"."

Invalid post.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 4:01:00 PM
#310
GenesisSaga posted...
Why the hell are we even talking about these three when Pinocchio has yet to show up???


...Because Pinocchio is Top 3 material, if not Top 1?
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 3:13:00 PM
#306
Ohhh, it could actually be Winnie the Pooh or The Jungle Book. I'm rooting for one of those.

As for what I want to miss the Top 10:

Peter Pan
The Jungle Book
Winnie the Pooh
Mulan
Tarzan

These are all good movies (well, I don't like Peter Pan, but I can't deny it's GOOD), but they don't belong in a Top 10. The rest I would have no qualms whatsoever with.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 2:02:00 PM
#293
Beauty and the Beast? *gets shot*

(Honestly though, better that than Hercules or Hunchback, which are both easily in my Top 10.)
TopicWhat are all of the official real life Board 8 meetups that have happened
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 11:01:00 AM
#89
I've met Shad many times...

...but then, that was before either of us knew that the other was a Board 8er. Life can be strange.
TopicRate the Game: VVVVVV
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 9:26:00 AM
#31
Star Fox Adventures: 3/10
VVVVVV: 8.5/10
TopicFirst thing you ever did when you were drunk?
Vengeful_KBM
07/06/12 12:45:00 AM
#26
Made out with the guy sitting next to me in the car on the ride home.

First thing I ever did when I was hung over: try and figure out a way to explain to my girlfriend.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/05/12 7:16:00 PM
#284
Also I agree with practically everything Karo said. Lady Tremaine is the bright spot of the film for me - she is just EVIL. One of the all-time great Disney villains.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/05/12 2:53:00 PM
#275
DoctorBIind posted...
Oh, and thank you for all the birthday wishes! The fireworks in Seattle were incredible.


Were you at Gasworks Park? We almost went to those this year - that show truly is incredible.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/04/12 11:28:00 PM
#268
Snow White > Sleeping Beauty > Cinderella, but Cinderella/Sleeping Beauty flip-flop on a regular basis, so I could feel totally differently tomorrow.
TopicYou and The Main character from the last movie you saw are on a quest.
Vengeful_KBM
07/04/12 10:13:00 AM
#15
Jean-Luc Picard and I are in China and we are trying to go back in time to stop the JFK assassination, but Islamic terrorist Abu Fayed is plotting against us.

...I would watch that movie.
TopicName Your Price: Be stuck with a minimum wage job for the rest of your life.
Vengeful_KBM
07/04/12 10:09:00 AM
#33
Reject.

I aspire to be rich and famous. That would never happen with a minimum wage jobbety-job.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/04/12 9:57:00 AM
#38
opinion = joke on Board 8

Seriously, did any of you READ what I said? :p

...Well, obviously Ry did. Credit. And that wouldnt've been a BAD idea, had I wanted to rig the list completely, but I'm just going by the movies.
TopicSolfadore ranks 43 Game of Thrones actors
Vengeful_KBM
07/04/12 12:35:00 AM
#329
Actually to be fair that is one of the ONLY scenes of Littlefinger that I liked. That was pretty ballin'.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 11:40:00 PM
#31
#8 - Paige O'Hara as Belle - Beauty and the Beast (1991)

Best Song: Belle (Reprise)

DISCLAIMER: This is not a fair placement. By all means it should be higher, but personal bias stands in the way.

Let me explain.

For years, I was not a big fan of Beauty and the Beast. It's only recently that I've realized that there's really something there (lol) under the surface that I never really caught on to that makes it a somewhat deeper story than most classic Disney fare, and I realized why it gets all the love and appreciation that it gets. I still have my reasons for not thinking it's the MOST fantastic, but Belle really is a good heroine. She's a multi-layered human being, not your typical Disney princess, and she's smart, resourceful, and generally just a good person to have around.

Paige O'Hara brings all of this across in spades. She really does. Her voice is soothing like perhaps nobody else I put higher than her, and her songs (despite the fact that she really needed a solo - see: "Home" from the Broadway show for details) are very nicely sung. Where she, personally, really shines is in the reprise for "Belle". Something about her voice on "I want adventure in the great wide somewhere!" just sticks with me, and when I think of that musical segment, it's always her voice that pops in my head.

But that leads me to my biggest problem with her, and the reason I couldn't put her any higher on the list. Whose voice pops in my head on literally every other song? Susan Egan. And I'm sorry, but Susan Egan on the Broadway cast recording is just...better. Let's take, as an example, the following lyrics from the song "Belle":

Oh, isn't this amazing?
It's my favorite part because - you'll see!
Here's where she meets Prince Charming -
But she won't discover that it's him 'til Chapter 3!

Paige sings this very muted and understated; very calmly and soothing. Whereas, on the Broadway recording, Susan Egan is absolutely jubilant when she's singing these lines, though she's still able to rein it in like Paige does for the calmer parts. And that's really what this placement is about - Paige does a brilliant job, don't get me wrong, but I've been spoiled by getting used to listening to Susan Egan's recordings. Which, with the exception of the aforementioned reprise, are just better. And I'm not biased because of the wonderful additional songs that Susan gets to sing, which obviously help flesh Belle out even more as a character - I'm talking solely about the songs both actresses share. Susan wins out, and thus Paige has been pushed down to a slightly lower rung as a consequence.

It's not fair, but then again, who said anything on these lists had to be fair? I'm the one writing it, dammit. That said, she does do a remarkable job, as has been noted. She wouldn't be in the Top 10 if she didn't. I just adore Susan Egan's voice (spoiler alert), and she has a variety of emotion that is just barely missing from this performance. Sorry, fans, but this was as high as I could justify putting Paige O'Hara.

HINT for the next write-up: We've got one of those Princesses of unusual (for Disney) ethnicity coming up next.. See if you can guess which one.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 11:28:00 PM
#30
Write-up incoming. Finally settled back in for good. Sorry about the long wait!
TopicSolfadore ranks 43 Game of Thrones actors
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 11:26:00 PM
#326
WTF at all the Littlefinger love. Seriously, I've always hated him. Whenever he's onscreen (page?) I want him to go somewhere else. One of my most-despised characters, along with (pre-Dance w/ Dragons) Theon.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 9:45:00 PM
#250
Haven't ever seen Great Mouse Detective - one of the few on the list I haven't. I'm also going to guess Cinderella. It's about time, tbh.
TopicRate the Game: Halo 3
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 6:40:00 PM
#35
Chrono Trigger: 9/10
TopicSolfadore ranks 43 Game of Thrones actors
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 5:31:00 PM
#319
My personal top five in the books (having read through them all):

5. (tie) Daenerys Targaryen/Catelyn Stark
4. Barristan Selmy
3. Cersei Lannister (really)
2. Davos Seaworth
1. Tyrion Lannister
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/03/12 10:48:00 AM
#240
It's during 'Out There', when Quasi's looking down at the streets - that's where all the cameos are. Belle's the most noticeable.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
07/02/12 3:34:00 PM
#238
If it's Hunchback, I will riot.
TopicKBM Ranks the 20 Greatest Disney Princess/Heroine Voices!
Vengeful_KBM
06/27/12 1:07:00 PM
#25
Moving things has been hell. Be back in a couple days.
TopicBoard 8 Mafia Discussion Topic 42 - Not Nearly As Prestigous
Vengeful_KBM
06/26/12 8:53:00 PM
#225
SBell0105 posted...
well thats one more game above me that'll be gone. Broadway Mafia here we come >_>


Let's be straight about this.

I AM in this game.

I am probably the biggest Broadway fanboy on this board. I am SO f***ing excited.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
06/26/12 3:15:00 PM
#108
Aughhhh.

To be fair, part of my love of the movie comes from the fact that I'd just started living in New Orleans when it came out, so I understand the whole culture disconnect thing. But PatF would be way higher on my list.

Doc: I've actually seen the "recobbled" version of The Thief and the Cobbler, and that movie is pretty damn good. A little overlong, and obviously the unfinished sections they put in are distracting just because they're...well, unfinished, but I feel like if it had been finished in that state, it would be really good. Unfortunately, it wasn't, and I've seen clips of the "regular" version of the movie, and by all accounts it looks awful.
TopicCan you reach 100? [sporcle]
Vengeful_KBM
06/26/12 1:09:00 PM
#13
Got to 61 with a misclick at 47 seconds left.

For some reason haven't been able to get nearly there since even though that felt easy.
Topic-- Noir Mafia Sign-Ups --
Vengeful_KBM
06/26/12 12:59:00 PM
#47
can't read neon's

can't read neon's

no you can't read neon's poker eface
Topic-- Noir Mafia Sign-Ups --
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 10:11:00 PM
#36
^_^

Thanks, Boko!
TopicRank the Eeveelutions, please.
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 8:12:00 PM
#30
Vaporeon
Glaceon
Jolteon
Umbreon
Espeon
Leafeon
Flareon
Topic-- Noir Mafia Sign-Ups --
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 6:08:00 PM
#20
CherryCokes posted...
From: Vengeful_KBM | #015
If the start can be pushed back a little later (starting a road trip on Wednesday and won't have Internet until Friday, but I have been pining to be in a mafia game), then I'm totally in.


In all honesty, I half expect confirms to slide this to Thursday night


Well in that case, I definitely sign, if you don't mind.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 5:38:00 PM
#84
I would prefer Mulan or Pocahontas to literally all of those others in the official lineup showing up.
Topic-- Noir Mafia Sign-Ups --
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 5:27:00 PM
#15
If the start can be pushed back a little later (starting a road trip on Wednesday and won't have Internet until Friday, but I have been pining to be in a mafia game), then I'm totally in.
TopicYou rank 100 songs, as submitted by azuarc
Vengeful_KBM
06/25/12 4:03:00 PM
#239
+5 Running Out of Time

Very cool stuff. Very atmospheric. An actual whole song, too, unlike some of these.

+4 Victory Stand

Overrating the s*** out of this because I love it.

+3 Strawberry Crisis!!

...I do not understand anything about this, but I like it. Why is there a strawberry crisis? Why is it coupled with pictures of a cute anime girl? I have no idea.

+2 Prologue Theme

And this makes me nostalgic for my parents' old Atari 800 games from the early 80's that I played growing up. Makes me happy.

+1 Excalibur

Eh.

Gimme gimme

moar

gimme

moar

gimme gimme

moar
TopicRate the Game: Resident Evil 5
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 11:00:00 PM
#45
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 8/10
Galaxian - 7/10
TopicYou rank 100 songs, as submitted by azuarc
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 7:56:00 PM
#209
+5 Journey of the Cursed King

Now THIS is absolutely beautiful. Damn.

+4 Puzzle Bobble

D'awwww. This is insanely cute. Makes me nostalgic for early-90's games.

+3 YiRiPa Battle

Middle-ground track. Not too much to say. Pretty good battle theme.

+2 Beeton Tracks

Holy God is this annoying. Only gets an extra point for not being 15 minutes long.

+1 i maed a gam3 w1th z0mb1es

I have heard a million musical epics like this. Almost all of them were better. Wow. Ouch.

I will ask for moar, even though that bottom one was pretty painful.
TopicYou rank 100 songs, as submitted by azuarc
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 5:59:00 PM
#189
+5 Downstream

Huh. This is actually really pretty. Gorgeous, even - the more I listen to it the more I want it to keep going, despite its length. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings mixed with a Civil War movie or something (and a little bit of The Stand). Very nice.

+4 Chicago (Stealth)

Never heard this before, but it makes me REALLY want to play Perfect Dark.

+3 Dire Dire Docks

I'm actually arranging this for piano and violin for a good friend's wedding. She's very excited.

+2 Unification of the Land

Tries a little too hard, but it's a good track. I really like the section at 1:30 - if the whole thing had been like that it might've ranked a little higher.

+1 King Dedede's Theme

You gave me *really* f***ing good competition, or else this might've ranked a little higher, if just for sheer hilarity's sake.

I'll take 5 more if you don't mind!
TopicYou rank 100 songs, as submitted by azuarc
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 12:21:00 PM
#170
Let's do this! I'm interested.
TopicSequels where you start with all the powers you gained in the first game.
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 11:42:00 AM
#25
Jak 2.

This could be partially because the protagonist had no powers to speak of in the series UNTIL Jak 2.
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 11:41:00 AM
#38
Way too high for me, sorry. Horrid songs, bad main character, no plot to speak of, completely ignored villain, and lots of very irritating humor. Merlin saves it from being a complete travesty, though, and it was a bit more whimsical to me the last time I deigned to view it (a few months ago). Definitely not really bad, though that does mean the end product is much greater than the sum of its parts. I'm pretty sure Merlin is the single saving grace that movies SitS from "abominable" to "decent".
TopicDoc Ranks the Animated Disney Canon Pt 2: I Want Much More Than Those 500 Posts!
Vengeful_KBM
06/24/12 9:41:00 AM
#26
I still don't understand how in the bloody hell anybody could call Snow White the "least good" anything. It absolutely boggles my mind.
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