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Also if ivalice takes place in ff14, does that mean they had to worry about the archadian empire AND the garlemald empire? Did garlemald just copy archadias vibe?

Okay so for endwalker, i dont think ff14 has dipped below 9/10 for the last nine years or whatever (compared to all other games). I fully admit im not the biggest fan of the excessive cutscenes or casual gameplay, but a lot of people are, and it wouldnt be such a worldwide phenomenon if it didnt bring a lot of people value. To me ff14 is kinda like smash bros or animal crossing - its intended to be lighthearted, casual fun, but it can also get as intense or hardcore as the player wants. Which isnt an easy balance to strike, and is a testament to good design. Endwalker is probably like a 9.2/10 or something around there

1. FF7 - 10
2. FF6 - 10
3. FFT - 10
4. FF10 - 9.5
5. FF14 SHB - 9.5
6. FF4 - 9.4
7. FF9 - 9.3
8. FF14 EW - 9.2
9. FF14 STB - 9.1
10. FF5 - 9.0
11. FF14 HW - 9.0
12. FF8 - 8.8
13. FFX-2 - 8.5
14. FF16 - 8.4
15. FF3 - 8.4
16. FF14 ARR - 8.3
17. FF1 - 8.3
18. FF11 - 8.3
19. FF15 - 8.1
20. FF7 Remake - 8.0
21. FF2 - 6.0
22. DoC FF7 - 5.5
23. FF13 - 3.0

The only ones left i still wanna play are ff12 and dawntrail, and then i can finally be done with this silly series for 2-3 years lol

Also i guess i didnt realize how heavily inspired ff14s empire is by ff12s. Judges are legatuses and everything

Also ff12s music sounds so much like tactics i love it

Alanna82 posted...

Fran comes with cure no matter what the job shes in, I believe.

Oh shit thank you! I saw Cure in the list but just assumed it was there for Penelo

Ya know, this game actually works if you view it through the lens of a dungeon crawler. And it especially feels that way when you hit the fast forward button

And Im sure the License / Gambit system can make for some broken builds. Back when I was playing FF5 you guys told me about some insane combinations. So yeah please someone tell me how to absolutely break FF12

Ive kinda screwed myself right now though. I had Penelo as white mage, but shes not in the party, and right now ive got Vaan as thief, Balthier as machinist, Fran as black mage, and Basch as guest, and Ive been doing like four dungeons back to back with no way to change jobs or buy items, and im out of potions, so now im caught in a struggle

I know this is one of the black sheeps of the series so I get it if nobody cares

Im going on vacation and bringing the Switch version with me. I havent played it since 2006, and never finished it, and I was pretty lukewarm on it back then, so Im gonna try to give it a fresh perspective almost 20 years later. For context I was also lukewarm on FFX-2 back then but I played it again last year and love it now

And also now that im done with all the FF14 expansions, this is the last game I need for my FF ranking that ive been doing on b8 for over a year now

Also i find it silly Zenos approached the fucking Grand Company of Eorzea, and was like can i go too

And Krile was just like: ok.

It is done.

The Dead Ends was dope. Everyone in my party was either new or rusty, and we really struggled for a bit, which honestly made it more thrilling because i actually had to learn from my mistakes and learn the mechanics

Endsinger reminded me of Cloud of Darkness or Ultimecia, but like actually fleshed out ad a concept lol. And the actual fight itself was great too. Awesome music as usual. And of course gotta love the fight with my boy Zenos

Zenos: you just do all this for the thrill of it, dont you?
Me: yeah you got me

So yeah, good shit. Im gonna let it digest and spend some time thinking on where I wanna place EW in my ranking. There were a lot of highs, but the excessive amount of talk to npc, trigger cutscene really took its toll on me, so well see.

Also im going on vacation for a couple weeks, so i wont be able to get to patch for a while, but ill try to keep this topic bumped till then. Should be able to start patch in early June. Till then, feel free to use this topic to keep discussing ff14, and thanks everyone for your help!

Thanks for your input guys. I ask because ive been working on an FF ranking on board 8 for years, and its gonna be tricky ranking Endwalker.

Bold predictions for when i play the final mission tonight: I really hope zenos snuck aboard the ship and just completely fucks everything up at the end

Him switching bodies with Meteion and projecting the non-emotions of a sociopath across the universe would fucking rule. Just completely derail the Hermes/Meteion subplot lmao

Made it to the final msq quest, but gotta sleep for now. Tomorrow... I beat Endwalker

So were there any significant changes to the core game with endwalker? Was this the first time they introduced pvp? Also any cool side quests / raids i need to do like in shadowbringers?

whoa the Ea are cool

I guess dungeons arent a good example. Id be interested in finding some quantifiable comparison to shadowbringers on cutscenes vs gameplay though, because i swear endwalker seems excessive

Ive seen a lot of people hate ala mhigo, but at least you had to fight stuff. At least we got Lakshmi and snake ladies

Meanwhile I just got to Ultima Thule in Endwalker, and there were two fights in the cut scenes - Meteion beating us in the ship, and Estinien fighting a dragon - and neither of them actually had any gameplay. Its like endwalkers story is too cool to let me play, and it doesnt want me to cramp its style

Ultima Thule is beautiful tho, endwalker is 5 for 5 on locations

The scenes with the Scions the night before we board the ark are legit great. Drinking with Yshtola and Thancred, Alphinaud and Estinien having a bro moment (theyve come so far from HW ;-;)

Looking at some of what you are saying - I personally dont want to dog FF14s gameplay too hard. Its not like traditional jrpgs were ever the pinnacle of interactivity. And I generally stand by 14s combat (even if it doesnt click for me personally a lot of the time), because when you get 8 people going hard and working together on a tough boss, its awesome

And i think the story is great all around, but it was that 8 hour stretch of nonstop running from npc to npc just to watch cut scenes that killed me. So I looked it up, and EW only has like 8 dungeons in the entire game? Thats insanely low compared to some of the others. And that was my main problem here - not enough of a gameplay to story ratio. Especially considering this is a multiplayer game, the excessive storytelling just felt jarring. And about halfway through Elpis everything just started to feel like a tedious slog.

Luckily it seems like its picking back up now though so well see

Yeah I guess this is on me man, because I don't even remember The Binding Coil. All the Allagan stuff in ARR patch just kinda came and went for me - I'm usually one & done on all content - I never went back and replayed any of the dungeons or raids or anything, so I've just kinda forgotten most of it.

It's kinda crazy to me, like is the average joe mmo gamer really keeping track of all this? Because I'm a crazy person who obsesses over lore and takes notes, and I can barely keep track lol

So much of the Ascian/Elpis stuff feels convoluted, BUT like I said earlier every FF game gets convoluted in the third act, and at least 14 has the lore and buildup to have it all check out. And at least they found a way to eventually make the Ascians interesting, considering how bland they were in the first couple expansions

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Isquen posted...
Endwalker is great, but there is a lot. A LOT. Of fluff. Like holy shit a lot of fluff. Also, the second visit to Labyrinthos, apart from the reunion with Moenbryda's parents, is boring as hell and no amount of ill-fitting music

lmao yes exactly. I cant believe how much everything came to a screeching halt with this. Just two hours of a never ending slog of fetch quests, finding scientists, hyping them up, when it's like man we're in the third act what even is this. And the entire time its got hype music, even though what I'm doing isnt hype in the least

And also like... I've been taking notes through my journey on the lore and stuff, but like... why was Amon made to be such a big deal here? This random ARR patch background villain that I encountered 3 years ago that I wouldve forgotten about if not for my notes. I get that he's one of the people Fandaniel possessed, but man after you beat him, theres a 20 minute cutscene and he has this giant speech talking about his motivations and it's like... wtf who even are you lmao

In fact lets talk about Fandaniel... so my brain kinda checked out, but from what I can make of it, Ascians got shattered into shards, but only a few Ascians, and Fandaniel is just a title, so his real name is Hermes, and one of his shards went to this random Allagan scientist named Amon, and another went to some random dude in our time, who just randomly decided to possess Asahi's body, and now he's just a little shit who wants to end everything because Hermes was sad his dinosaur died one time, but nobody remembers that because Hermes just happened to have a memory-altering device ready to go just in case? Its all so exhausting

Like I mostly enjoyed Elpis, it's a beautiful location (Endwalker is 4 for 4 with the locations so far holy shit), and I enjoyed Emet Selch and Hythlodaeus, but everything else about it was a giant slog imo

The very first time I got the warning "multiple cutscenes are about to play; please set aside time" was in ARR patch before the red wedding. So whenever I got that warning from then on, I was like "aw shit it's go time". But in Endwalker, EVERY cutscene is multiple cutscenes lol. I'm just tired

Alright boys, tell me if im trippin:

Theres way too many cut scenes in this game

I clocked 8 hours straight of nonstop cut scenes at one point

Theres literally an 8 hour gap between the vanaspati dungeon and ktisis hyperboreia, with only one duty fight against venat in between them

By the time i got to the big showdown with Hermes, my brain checked out. And like now i just beat Hydaelyn and i kinda feel nothing at this point

Its kinda crazy that ive gotten through this msq so fast too im already 90% done in 2 weeks. Meanwhile all the other expansions took at least a month each. Its weird because on one hand endwalkers msq is faster paced than the others, but actually feels slower because theres not as much gameplay. At this point im basically binge watching a tv show

Im sad to say my opinion on endwalker is souring a bit. But again - maybe im just trippin - after all this is the highest rated expansion by both critics and fans

Alright i'll preach

Like, man. When the mom and baby jumped in the water to escape the blasphemy, and the next shot was my character diving in headfirst after them with zero hesitation

And then the game is like "here you go now play" and youre swimming underwater. That was ingenious. I was panicking like OH FUCK WHERE ARE THEY

Then you find the mom and shes dead and the baby is missing like OH FUCK

Frantically searching, and baby is at the bottom of the lake - but isnt moving

Then we're like "matsya take this baby while we hold off the enemy"

Matsya like "IDK MAN I HAVE ANXIETY"

Matsya running with the baby, and the baby starts to turn dark HOLY FUCK. Then matsya turns dark NOOOOOO. Then matsya starts crying.

Like god damn - i damn near became a blasphemy in real life

Like the world is ending, and the heroes are trying so hard to at least have ONE win today

And they really nailed the futility and dread of it all. Like how is anyone NOT gonna become a blasphemy at this point

But then OUT OF LEFT FIELD YA BOY ESTINIEN, he comes down out the air like ">:] dont worry the scions are here", like fuck yeah

Isquen posted...

Still super shitty that he was getting doxxed by people upset over his Girls animation.

what?

Matsya saving the baby is my favorite scene in all of ff14.

Yup pro zenos and anti fandaniel here

I love all the ff14 villains but fandaniel is the first miss for me. BUT im still seeing his backstory so well see

Yeah i was not expecting to fight zodiark that soon

On the moon now, and fuck yeah namingway

Also every FF story goes off the rails in the third act and ends up in space somehow, but ff14 is the one where all the lore checks out and it actually makes sense this time lol

The rabbit guys are incredibly silly, but the concept of evacuating the planet on the moon is such a cool concept i aint even mad at it

At first i was like holy shit is this what dawntrail is gonna be? The new planet we discover? But then when they said reflection 1 would die, i was like nah the scions will find a way

The sharlyans are probably the contacts that the rabbits are talking about

Thats why theyre hoarding knowledge and creating a biome. Like holy shitttt

And ya know, they actually prime the player for the space rabbits by giving you a space dog as soon as you get to the moon. Like as soon as i saw the space dog and space cactuars i was like alright whatever happens im immediately on board

The legatus shot himself and the blood got all over the flag. Thats so fuckin metal

And then YO THE ZENOS DINNER SCENE

They chopped up the emperor into tiny pieces and used the country's worship of him to turn him into a primal abomination, AND ITS FUCKING ANIMA SON. ITS SO METAL

Fight was fucking awesome too. And i like how the second phase goes down to Anima's dick face, just like FFX

Wow this whole garlemald segment is so badass. Random survivor camps in the snow, a derailed train, an abandoned oil rig with survivors who are hoarding the resources. A shitty distorted version of the imperial theme on the radio

I love how theres people living in the subway. They really nailed this shit

Like this is not how i expected the invasion of the empire to go at all. This is how you subvert expectations right here

And of course the imperials still believe in the propaganda

I hit their leader with a haurchefant quote and it flashed back to us sharing hot chocolate

Yeah i noticed that! My monk and samurai lalafells

oops i accidentally pulled an all nighter playing this

-The entire grand company of eorzea is hype

-SADU IS BACK

-again i like how theres a ton of little moments with the characters like everyone orders takeout and brings it home and eats cheeseburgers

-Playing people at cards this morning, and you know what i realized. With ff16, people complained there werent enough minigames, so they put them in rebirth, and then people complained there were too many. Lmao this series cant win

-also Ive hit the 400 hour mark. 400 hours in and were finally taking on the empire. What a crazy feeling

Sadu: i aint subduing nobody im fighting everyone to the death
Cirina runs to stop her
Magnai assumes cirina is coming to give him a hug and gets excited, but she runs past him and now he sad

These guyz

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b410d832.jpg

The magus sisters tho! Also i hate Fandaniel, but i love the elephant guys + their city

There seems to be a lot more msq cut scenes this time around whew. Finally was able to do one (1) dungeon

On the one hand I really enjoy the little moments. Trying to get through customs and they ask Estinien whats your occupation sir? And he just stands there for ten seconds like:

or at the market and Estinien like how much for a hair tie 19,800 gil ok

Actually estinien as a scion in general is just

On the other it slows the pacing a bit. Not sure how i feel about the tradeoff so far, but i am definitely enjoying overall

i think its silly to have 300 characters and leave out major villains man. i dont even know 90% of these characters on here but ill be damned if they should be here over apoc and nova

no cassandra nova either?

how was apocalypse not in the original list lol

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a43620cc.jpg

i be rockin them js boi

these shits hard

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3da018b9.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70b69867.jpg

Damn son, the final element to restore The Empty was love ;-;

What a good story

Now a triple triad match has opened up with a dude who has two mystery cards I can win which I assume is Ryne and Gaia, so yes please i will take them

Btw which one of you was Tory Marbelle? Was that you Dels? So far I know:

Danta - Zoey
Isquen - Bellisorei
tcaz - Lewena

I appreciate the help guyz

Not only is Eden an Ascian, but Gaia is an Ascian too aw shit

We have to get Gaia away from her toxic boyfriend and back to her girlfriend

Yup, Crystal / Malboro, Big Chalupa. Add me as a friend and I appreciate it. Next fight is Eden 10 normal

This has been the longest year of our lives lmao

also

https://youtu.be/pI0pWXi4rC8?feature=shared

hell yeah

Anyone wanna help me finish up the eden raids? Im trying to make a party for eden 9 normal but theres nobody joining lol

Wedge_Antilles posted...

I believe they're 16 years old. Due for that growth spurt.

Lmao so what, alphinaud was 12 in ARR? A 12 year old standing around barking orders at world leaders like SCREW YOU GUYS IM GONNA START MY OWN ARMY

Also never forget the first one to jump at emet was a 16 year old girl

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/37c345c4.jpg

Im a lalafell so im used to being way shorter than alphinaud and alisae, so they dont really seem short to me, but damn their parents are way taller than them. How old are these guys? Did they just never have growth spurts? Are they like 15?

Anyway new Ali costume looks great

Thavnair is very cool

Matsya the best character in all of ff14

OH SHIT HE JOINED MY PARTY (npcs actually following you now is a nice touch)

I jumped into the water to see if he can swim

HE CAN SWIM

ENDWALKER CONFIRMED TOP TIER FF

https://youtu.be/QGMJ0G58UNE?feature=shared

damn this is good. feels like ffx

Labynthos is a cool concept

Glad they used the ff11 mandragora

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/04199194.jpg

Where my ff14 bros at

Thorn posted...

Rogue Squadron II
KOTOR
Battlefront II (I'm thinking of the original if that matters)
Jedi: Fallen Order

this sounds right

Nice. Whats your diet look like?

Thank you i truly feel accomplished and my training to become a furry is nearly complete

I might even give Assault a second chance too