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That_Happened posted...

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That_Happened posted...

I'd say civil rights leaders are turning in their graves over your use of that word (and trying to connect it to actual government-sanctioned segregation of the past)

A word that means dividing places up by racial categories? That word?

No, the word that means the bold part that you purposely excluded. Derp.

Segregation doesn't need to be government-enforced to be segregation

So you support segregation, yes?
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Trump is responsible for all the bad even when he's not responsible.

^ CNN's official motto
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That_Happened posted...

I'd say civil rights leaders are turning in their graves over your use of that word

A word that means dividing places up by racial categories? That word?
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That_Happened posted...

The divide is between your brain and rational thought, Mal_Fet. Don't worry, I'm not here to have an actual discussion with you (because that's a waste). I'm just here to make fun of your never-ending reach to find exceptions that do anything but prove your dumb-ass point.

Says a guy defending segregation.

Sorry, once you've gone full-regressive, every insult you have for me feels like a compliment ;)
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-Gavirulax- posted...

It's Crowder right (haven't looked).

He can be funny on occasion but sometimes he really just fails hard, for example that ridiculous stunt he pulled with Cenk from TYT, he looked like an ass.

The only pathetic part of that was that Cenk only managed to draw a crowd of a baker's dozen for his panel.
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Feline_Heart posted...

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You know what a lot of white Americans went through? The white farmer purge of Zimbabwe.

Oh, so the divide is national, not racial?

Isn't BLM an American movement?

No? Where'd you get that idea

They have chapters in Canada and several european countries

Also you completely discount the possibility that white victims in Zimbabwe can't have, ya know, moved here.
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What do you think will happen here?
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That_Happened posted...

You know what a lot of white Americans went through? The white farmer purge of Zimbabwe.

Oh, so the divide is national, not racial?
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Feline_Heart posted...

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But they keep most meetings closed to keep trolls away

Do they keep people away based on their race/gender/sexual orientation?

Considering it's not based on race gender or sexual orientation in the first place

Neither are experiences.

Again, give just one example of an experience a black person can have that a white person cannot have a similar experience of.

Being followed around stores by security because of their skin color

Not having your government prosecute your friends and family who were murdered because of their skin color

http://www.newsweek.com/zimbabwe-president-robert-mugabe-white-farmers-651326

Got anything else?

Apartheid

Still not dissimilar to the example I just gave.
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This story is as stupid as that time people got upset with Obama over saying "We tortured some folks."
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Feline_Heart posted...

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But they keep most meetings closed to keep trolls away

Do they keep people away based on their race/gender/sexual orientation?

Considering it's not based on race gender or sexual orientation in the first place

Neither are experiences.

Again, give just one example of an experience a black person can have that a white person cannot have a similar experience of.

Being followed around stores by security because of their skin color

Not having your government prosecute your friends and family who were murdered because of their skin color

http://www.newsweek.com/zimbabwe-president-robert-mugabe-white-farmers-651326

Got anything else?
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But they keep most meetings closed to keep trolls away

Do they keep people away based on their race/gender/sexual orientation?

Considering it's not based on race gender or sexual orientation in the first place

Neither are experiences.

Again, give just one example of an experience a black person can have that a white person cannot have a similar experience of.
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But they keep most meetings closed to keep trolls away

Do they keep people away based on their race/gender/sexual orientation?
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dave_is_slick posted...

That's actually an interesting question, but I don't trust Marvel comics to tackle that with any semblance of tact.

Here's the weird thing about Cap though: he is always right, even when the writers intend him to be wrong. In Civil War, the writers actually expected Iron Man to be the hero, because they assumed superhero registration was the good option. It wasn't until halfway through the run that they realized most all their readers took Cap's side.
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I don't really know anything about BLM or what they've done, but based on what I've seen it seems like most people hate them solely because of the name.

Noooo, there's plenty of reasons to hate BLM

Here's just a recent example:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/21/give-up-the-home-you-own-black-lives-matter-activist-makes-list-of-requests-for-white-people/

Dailycaller

Are you suggesting Chanelle Helm did not make those demands?
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Feline_Heart posted...

I don't really know anything about BLM or what they've done, but based on what I've seen it seems like most people hate them solely because of the name.

Noooo, there's plenty of reasons to hate BLM

Here's just a recent example:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/21/give-up-the-home-you-own-black-lives-matter-activist-makes-list-of-requests-for-white-people/
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Like for example at Addict Anonymous they don't let support systems speak

And like with AA, the problem exists with the people at BLM meetings.

Umm that's not why AA doesn't let support systems speak

That's exactly why...no one attends an AA meeting when there's nothing wrong with them.
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gamepimp12 posted...

My point is in meetings about shared experiences someone who doesn't share in the experience just distracts from the topic.

Can you just give us an example of an experience only black people have that no white person would have a frame of reference for?
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gamepimp12 posted...

But we're talking about racial experiences here

Once again,

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Experience is not limited by racial categories.

The only sort of people who believe differently are ethnonationalists (Nazis).
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gamepimp12 posted...

So white people have no shared experiences that aren't based in hating others ?

Experience is not limited by racial categories.

Does Jayden Smith have more in common with a rich white kid, or a destitute black kid?
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Yeah you obviously don't get the point of 'safe spaces' if you're going to make that comparison

Imagine if someone declared a "safe space" where no black people were allowed.

Imagine how that would go over, and imagine the kind of people who would enforce that kind of segregation. Now ask yourself why other racially-segregated "safe spaces" are any different.
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gamepimp12 posted...

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I don't get the hate for the no black people meetings

Like you obviously want and cherish your black supporters

But when discussing shared experiences around people who don't share said experience the discussion becomes more informative than anything.

It's just more unnecessary mouths, you come talk to them after.

I wouldn't disagree with that in concept at least.

I can't really think of place that would be used in practice though

Because such a place is likely a KKK meeting.

Assuming someone can't contribute to a group because of their skin color is what ethnonationalists believe.
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Since you're a brit, maybe you know of the youtuber Sargon of Akkad? He gets called right-wing all the time even though he doesn't meet most of your criteria. Is he therefore left-wing?

that dude is pretty by the books alt right lol

Ok, lay out some views of his that align him with Nazis.
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I don't get the hate for the no black people meetings

Like you obviously want and cherish your black supporters

But when discussing shared experiences around people who don't share said experience the discussion becomes more informative than anything.

It's just more unnecessary mouths, you come talk to them after.

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Male feminists only act the way they do to get attention from females?

Old news is old.
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luigi13579 posted...

The terms seem to differ a bit in their use depending on where you live (particularly in Europe and the US) and how far back you trace them.

As a Brit, I think that right-wing views are:

Pro class structure (seeing it as inevitable / traditional / desirable)
Pro established religion (and government backing for it and its values, to varying extents depending on how far right you are), "family values" in the US.
Pro national identity (and, further right, ethnic homogeneity / certain groups being inferior) / patriotism
Pro rule of law / respect for authority (in extreme cases, authoritarian)

Modern moderate flavors seem to accept liberal democracy and capitalism.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

There is no strict definition. That's why I ask.

Since you're a brit, maybe you know of the youtuber Sargon of Akkad? He gets called right-wing all the time even though he doesn't meet most of your criteria. Is he therefore left-wing?
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Darmik posted...

So you're telling me that an FPS about America being overtaken by ISIS wouldn't be compared to modern politics and news because it's not realistic?

Did you read the article? They're saying in every which way that it IS realistic.
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lderivedx posted...

Anyone more conservative than social democrats.

So Stalinists are right-wing?
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Intelligence
Patriotism

Nah
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

limited government

I guess that's succinct.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

conservative.

So libertarians are conservative?
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Darmik posted...

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And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

If the drunk racists waving around Confederate flags come close to taking over the government, then the comparison will be apt.

Until then, it really isn't.

You're acting like Nazism isn't a political ideology regardless

Are you just posting word salad now hoping that maybe it will somehow prove the article isn't stupid?

Like seriously, read this again:

"The fact that there is an overlap between Wolfenstein II and reality is absolutely horrifying to me, especially as a Jewish person," said Eric Weiss, a Toronto-based video games editor for pop culture site Dork Shelf.

^ This shit is one step from the lizard person conspiracy. In what fucking way is a game about Nazi-controlled USA overlapping reality?
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Trump denounced Nazis before the election, right after the election, and right after the Charlottesville riots.

Stop falling for fake news.
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Darmik posted...

And your point is moot. The concept of Wolfenstein 2 is that America lives under a Nazi ideology after losing the war. They're not an invading force at that point. They're the Government.

If the drunk racists waving around Confederate flags come close to taking over the government, then the comparison will be apt.

Until then, it really isn't.
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Darmik posted...

It's comparing Nazis in a video game to people who currently identify as Nazis who made the news last week. This isn't really complicated.

I've already outlined the major ways the two are not comparable, and if you still don't get it then there's no point in going over it again.
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Give your definition for ''left-wing'' as well, if you want

I really am curious, but I'll refrain from giving my definition, because I don't want to color the responses
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Darmik posted...

Review? What? Wolfenstein isn't out yet.

But this has examples of people offended at the E3 trailer.

The article is clearly not responding to skinheads whining about Wolfenstein. It is making an equivalence between gun-toting soldiers actively engaged in a genocide, and stupid rednecks.

Let me reiterate this again for you:

Sephiroth1288 posted...

CBC is making an equivalence between Nazi German soldiers and dumb racists in 2017 as they talk about a video game in which you kill the former. This is what I'm commenting on, and why it's so dumb.

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And yet dumb racists have been whining about these games being too political because of their content.

Where in the review do they bring up criticisms from neonazis about Wolfenstein II?
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Darmik posted...

What game is this?

CBC is making an equivalence between Nazi German soldiers and dumb racists in 2017 as they talk about a video game in which you kill the former. This is what I'm commenting on, and why it's so dumb.
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Killing gun-toting soldiers of the third reich as they invade sovereign nations and commit genocide: ok

Killing rednecks with swastika flags who are otherwise not a direct threat to anybody: not ok

If I'm wrong, then what's the problem with someone killing Antifa members? They're no different from Stalin's KGB after all, right?
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You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it?

lol

and you're still thinking you're making any sense. LOL!

It's not that hard of a concept.

Poor people are more likely to vote Democrat, so Democrats would only lose votes by helping people out of poverty. Why then would they be motivated to help any group, much less minorities?
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Are you suggesting that I want statues of black people taken down?

Given the chance, I bet you would

You thought this post was just so brilliant that you demand a real response to it?

lol
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That while most white democrats aren't the great white saviors people make them out to, they aren't directly and obviously putting in policies to marginize Minorities

The only way you can believe voter ID laws are to target black voters is if you assume black voters are somehow incapable of getting an ID.

And as we know, a lot of Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general...

Leaving aside the thread topic and everything else, I'm curious how you feel this video shows "Democrats have a strangely low opinion of black people in general..." when it shows less than 50

Antifar is using the same argument used by the white liberals in this video. "Black people can't be asked to procure an ID! It's not fair!"
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Antifar posted...

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You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme.

The feds convicted 27 people in vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia. One Democratic county manager paid poor, handicapped and illiterate people to vote for him. He was still in office in 2004 when he was sentenced to just over two years in prison.

Other criminals included a sheriff, city police chief and a Circuit Court clerk in West Virginia. Prosecutors said the clerk, a Democrat, and his associates got precinct captains to pay people $20 to vote for a slate of preferred candidates in a May 2004 primary, with the goal of controlling county government. “This seems to be something that is just in the blood of people in southern West Virginia,” former West Virginia Secretary of State Ken Hechler told the Associated Press in 2005. “They’re always looking for ways to get away with this.”

That doesn't sound like 27 vote-buying schemes, just 27 people involved.

All of which should never have been allowed to happen.

And, again, there is every reason to believe that there's more voter fraud going on than they're able to catch thanks to lax voting security. Keep in mind that many local elections can be swayed by just 100 votes, which is a huge problem when Al Franken may have gotten his seat thanks in part to fraud.
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Antifar posted...

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The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud.

Read again

The worst examples were vote-buying schemes in eastern Kentucky and West Virginia that helped keep local politicians in power. Cases that had fixated GOP officials—like the “major criminal enterprise” in St. Louis—were not substantiated. Instead, most of the cases involved individuals who had cast a single ballot that they shouldn’t have, or hadn’t even voted at all but simply had registered improperly. Some of them went to prison. At least one person was deported.

You're ignoring the example they gave of a guy running a vote-buying scheme.
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In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit?

These investigations were largely alleging widescale voter fraud, including a supposed ring of it in St. Louis. They weren't 300 investigations for 300 individuals.

The individuals convicted were the ones behind voter fraud schemes. It wasn't just 86 fraudulent votes; these were people facilitating wide-scale voter fraud.
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Antifar posted...

those prosecutors launched more than 300 investigations. But in the end, the government had little to show for it. On July 26, 2006, the day before Bush signed a renewal of the Voting Rights Act, the Justice Department released a fact sheet summarizing the Voting Integrity Initiative’s accomplishments. Federal prosecutors had charged 119 people with election crimes and convicted just 86.

In 300 investigations they found 86 cases of voter fraud? 30% of them were legit?

Wow, imagine how many they may find if there were voter ID laws that could make tracking such fraud more effective.

Antifar posted...

Furthermore, I'm finding it hard to think of a possible incentive for disproportionately male legislatures to discriminate intentionally against men. Whereas clearly Republicans have an incentive to make it harder for Democrats to vote.

Hey, men are more likely to vote Republican than women are.

By your logic then, Democrats are trying to quash the male vote with speed limit laws.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Are men speeding more than women or are the laws enforced in a way that singles out men?

Antifar posted...

There's nothing in traffic legislation that singles out male speeders. And yet, the traffic laws have disproportionately fallen on male drivers. Color blind laws don't have color blind impacts. Likewise, if it's known that men, for whatever reason, are less likely to use their turning signal, or stop completely at a stop sign, or follow the speed limit, they can be discriminatory without just saying "men can't drive" which would never fly.

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Are black people doing drugs more than white people or are the laws being enforced in a way that singles out black people?

Actually, this is an interesting case:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/

This partly reflects racial differences in the drug markets in black and white communities. In poor black neighborhoods, drugs tend to be sold outdoors, in the open. In white neighborhoods, by contrast, drug transactions typically happen indoors, often between friends and acquaintances. If you sell drugs outside, you're much more likely to get caught.

So the answer to your question is "no" on both counts.
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