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P4wn4g3 posted...

But DToast didn't follow internet 101.

That is the part people are missing. Hes not a random internet person. GameFaqs isnt a throwaway independent fan site even if thats what it felt like over the past couple of years.

GameFaqs is owned by a billion dollar corporation. It sold back in the day for 3+ million dollars.

Public facing employees of corporations use their real names. They have public facing bios, email signatures, linkedins, business cards, and company profiles. This doesnt mean that they arent allowed to also have personal lives.

There is literally zero blame on DToast here. The fact that the CEmen were braisen enough to quickly do this on the first place was a perfect case study for its quarantine.

There are thousands of gaming studios and media platforms with social media/community managers. They dont have to worry about being dangerously stalked and harassedbut this has quite literally happened to every community manager this platform has ever had.

Its a culture problem. Current Events was the foundation for the core users (our native influencers) that set that vibe and maintain that atmosphere. It needed to be contained in order for the platform to evolve into its next era

35 people are alive

adjl posted...

There's plenty of feedback. He's outright said they're ignoring it.

Hes an employee. Not the owner. He doesnt have authority to make sporadic changes on a dime or even respond and comment to some things.

Hes taking notes, and working in the backend. The fact that hes even interacting at all is proof of this.

Disgruntled GameFaqs users ranting and raving isnt going to suddenly bless DToast with a promotion so that he can make the series of executive decisions. All its going to do is make him apathetic in his duties.

This is common sense. I dont understand why none of you understand this. Its like screaming at the Starbucks Barista, and going so far as to key that college kids car because pumpkin spice lattes were taken off the menu.

chukklez17dc posted...

Do they think kids are going on fandom sites and not just watching YouTube videos

Its not about literal children who might be using the services, its about normies not all that familiar with internet culture.

Any paid user aquisition funnel is going to be dipping deep into mainstream society on account of that ad spend largely coming from social media platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.

Therefore, you want the end of that funnel to lead to an atmosphere thats welcoming and easy to engage withas oppose to one that makes you shudder, and want to take a shower.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

he knew what he signed up for

He most definitely didnt, and I dont think he had a choice. Its insane to me that so many users are attacking him just for doing his job. Its the equivalent of screaming at the Starbucks cashier.

Provide feedback, not cowardly insults, and incoherent ranting

STEROLIZER posted...

Whos asking whos asking?

Can anyone tell me who posted in the quote Im quoting?

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Whos asking whos asking?

punkfanalways posted...

wont someone think of the shareholders!

I mean, as fans of the site we kind of need to. Because if we dont, they just take away our toys. Its the whole this is why we cant have nice things thing

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Who posted this screenshot?

I quite enjoyed the sex board, but you occasionally got a really disturbing topic on thereand if you were to go to the archival posts from 5+ years ago there were alot of topics made by people who openly, and willingly declared themselves to be incelsusually within the topic title itself.

So if Fandom is trying to rid the platform of stuff like that, then it was justified. I would have preferred they just added a purge stipulation to it like what CE has, so nothing remains up for long.

But I mean, sometime last year we had this dude posting 2,000 word essays back to back as replies in a topic about anime body pillows and they were beyond disturbing.

Anyone who remembers the topic Im referencing probably supports the no hornyposting rule to some extent.

Who posted?

GameFaqs might honestly be the first, as I cant think of any others.

BoxOfficeMojo was gutted by Amazon back in the day.

AwesomoSauce posted...

How much money would it take to buy GameFAQs? Kinda sad a rich game developer that grew up here didn't just buy the site and server hosting for the next 100+ years so it could be free for all.

If I made a game like Cuphead or Minecraft that became a huge hit and made me a multi millionaire I would have bought Gamefaqs CE and made it available and free because I like the site.

At least a million bucks

BlueTigerLion posted...

Average age late 20s to early 30s. That was two years ago though.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bcd5a19f.png

I suspect that this is a key reason why the new changes are being implemented. In order for this platform to survive it needs to attract a younger, more hoper audience.

According to that poll only about 6% of people are still in school. The other 94% are out of college.

No.

Nobody knows who I am.

Strider102 posted...

To simplify it a bit more, Toasty doxxed himself and decided to blame CE for it.

Thats certainly putting a spin on what happened.

DToast is a paid employee of a corporation which owns and operates this website. Of course his real name is going to be doxxed. Most employees have their real names in their company emails, and fandom is no different. But there is a significant difference between sharing someones business card, and sharing their home address.

This is just basic common sense. You can find any game studio heads LinkedIn page. They might also have a bio on the company wrlebsite. That doesnt give you permission to go dig up their personal Facebook page, and start sharing photos of their children.

I dont know what actually happened to DToast, but placing the blame on him just for being a paid employee of a corporation with basic standards and practices regarding their identities is really unfair.

Just because someone gives you their name, doesnt give you the right to go and cyber stalk them.

I cant believe this is even up for debate. This is grade school levels of social etiquette.

P4wn4g3 posted...

You just made a political argument though.

Its on Current Events tho

hockeybabe89 posted...

The Internet is fucking bullshit these days and companies like Fandom are a great example why.

Feedback? Communities? Anything decent? Companies have realized that they don't need any of that to make money on the Internet. So they fucking ruin everything because what is humanity gonna do? Give up the Internet?

If you were Fandom and GameFaqs fell into your laps which option would you choose:

1. Put in money to modernize it and attract a younger, more viper audience
2. Sell it off to a different corporation
3. Just let it wither away and die on its own, even if its bleeding money
4. Just let it be so long as its making a profit or breaking even, and then shut it down or sell it off as soon as it starts to bleed money
5. Shut it down because its bleeding money

Those are really the only options available, and it seems as if Fandom chose option No. 1, and I feel as if the current userbase would love for Fabdom to choose option No. 3

but option three is a surefire way for someone to lose their livelihood because its just professional negligence.

hockeybabe89 posted...

They'll make like... 12 dollars and then close the site or sell it off.

This is your modern Internet. Websites exist to do nothing but show ads and take people's money. If they aren't succeeding at either of those, they have no value. The greedy companies shitting up the Internet are determined to destroy any inch of the thing that isn't making them lots of money.

I mean, this isnt a fan site. Its always been owned by large corporations. It literally sold for millions of dollars back in the day.

GameFaqs was in a great position to turn a massive profit during the era of smart phone mass adoption and the rise of mobile gaming circa 2010-2015 but for whatever reason the website just never modernized itself and released a mobile app with social media integration for logins and reshares and stuff.

At that point it seemed as if CBS Interactive was satisfied with just breaking even on ads & cross traffic. But by the time of the first sale to Red Ventures the site was probably no longer breaking even.

If thats the case then Red Ventures would have to make the decision to either take a loss by putting in money to modernize the platform and eventually get their investment back once it finally turned a profitor sell it off.

We know what they chose. Now Fandom is in a similar position and seem like they are going to try and rebuild the platform into profitability.

But that doesnt make them evil. This had NEVER been an independently operated fan site. Its just felt that way for the last 8 years or so due to the decline in traffic and lack of updates. But its not.

I dont get how so many people are painting them as the villains for trying to monetize their investment as opposed to just letting it slowly wither away and die.

It doesnt make any logical sense.

I wish theyd add a play nice rule which basically just means dont be jerks to other people be nice and respectful.

You will always have people who dance around the ToS claiming that they arent directly insulting the personbut its obvious the purpose of said post is the demean that person and make them upset and/or sad.

I like when the rules are vague and open to interpretation and basic common sense deductive reasoning as opposed to be looked at like a math equation.

In that regard, these rules could still use some work but overall they are a vast improvement. I am eager to see where Fandom steers this site under these new guidelines.

I am very hopeful for the future

Heineken14 posted...

Once again it's up to the left to "have a dialogue" with hateful right wingers and bring them over to their side. Their side, which has more people who routinely vote for and agree with it.... but they must placate the right to open a dialogue on why they are hateful bigots to try and sway them over to a side that if it weren't for an archaic voting system would have forced them out through attrition long ago.

QFT

Murphiroth posted...

"Just talk to the people that hate you and want to murder you :)" talk is disingenuous at best.

Don't talk to those folks then.

But there is a difference between someone who wants to literally murder someone because they are blinded by hare, and someone that is just ignorantly voting against a policy that probably could use their vote.

I don't see the logic in trying push everyone away, rather than bring them into the fold.

Edit: I think I'm going in circles at this point. I understand that not everyone is going to agree with trying to open a dialogue with the opposition, but I defiently do. From my own personal life experiences, I've seen it work, which is why I try. But I also recognize that sometimes its just a mission to nowhere. The person I quoted mentioned me being former "pals" with some less than desirable folks. Although I would challenge the "pals" label, part of the reason why that is mostly a valid statement is because I do want to open that dialogue, and do believe that people can change their perspectives -- but its also proof that it doesn't always work.

lolife67 posted...

What you seem to be missing is that the bigots are not willing to engage in good faith discussion. Why are you ignoring that part?

The word "bigot" isn't a neat little box. All bigotry sucks but, there are plenty of folks that overcome their bigotry.

I honestly believe that alot of straight males in their thirties and forties who do now support the Gay Community and advocate for Gay Rights were probably someone what bigoted when in their youth.

It was a different time in the 90's, the way the South Park kids act and behave is actually a pretty good indicator on how life was back then -- yet dare I say MOST of them (and that is a broad statement, and perhaps incorrect opinion of mine) overcame that prejudice as they gained more life experience.

But certainly there are folks who wont engage in that discussion, I realize that. You don't have to reach everyone, but you definitely can reach a lot.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Most people who hate people for their sexuality are not willing to engage in honest discussion.

Not online. But in person, they are way more open to it. But regardless you don't need all of them, just some of them to change their perspective. It all adds up.

Umbreon posted...

The board you abandoned ages ago.

Admittedly part of that was a stalker problem

Yea, I was trying to delete that thing, but the actual owner was on like a year long purge. So, I just left it. Good thing I didn't delete it, now it has some purpose.

Its @Dynedux btw (just checked)

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Lmao this guy so clearly has some vested interest in Fandom destroying this site

I think you do need to "tear down" to "rebuild" -- I don't think Fandom will destroy GameFaqs. I think they are going to update it, modernize it, and begin appealing a new, younger, more mainstream audience. Pretty much what this site use to be around 2010-2013.

Will it work. IDK. But I do recognize the effort, and am along for the ride.

ADW posted...

So you having to hide and do your own thing and hope all the discussion there falls under your rules to avoid detection and nuking means all of this is ok?

I should clarify that I'm actually not board owner. Just a "leader" -- I eventually gave up on that board when it became apparent folks were going to continue using the sex board for dating advice, and self-improvement advice. But maybe it get can get some use now.

Umbreon posted...

@STEROLIZER Still believe Fandom is good for the site?

Yes -- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1567-adulting

Thats the board I created a while ago, when I wanted a place to go to in order to talk about issues relating to marriage, parenthood, and other mundane adult stuff. Pretty much everything the Sex board was, but without the "horny posting" which I never participated in, nor liked in the first place.

I always used the board as more of a means to discuss relationships, self improvement, and other issues regarding societal structure and so on and so forth.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

STERO really believes that conservatives who hate LGBT people can just be talked down from their stances lmao

I do believe its possible to get people to change their positions and points of views on pretty much anything through a steady dialogue.

I think ideally thats how you rid the world of the issues that plague it, through education and a willingness to engage in discussion.

I know people whove been completely disowned after coming out. These people will disown THEIR OWN CHILDREN because they come out as gay or trans.

Yea, and thats not cool. When that happens it breaks my heart. There will always be people whose minds cant be changed, and there comes a time from a relationship standpoint where you need to cut them out of your life.

But in general people do indeed flip flop their positions on things I sincerely believe its worth a try.

Who posted?

Murphiroth posted...

Stero spinning into his "whine about GameFAQs users being shut ins" cycle is hilarious

Glad to see that Ive got some fans.

Umbreon posted...

But is that because you realize that transphobia is an inexcusable trait and there's no point trying to emphasize with people practicing it...

Or because you're afraid of getting in trouble for speaking your mind?

Because both are significantly different conclusions.

I still believe in hearing conservatives out, and then trying to deconstruct their arguments and convert them over to my perspectiveabsolutely.

I definitely think that alot of people who are transphobic wouldnt be if someone would just have a polite and steady dialogue with them.

Its just that for a lot of them, nobody has ever tried. Ive actually been able to do this a couple of times with old friends from high school, teammates at my gyn, and even my mother.

But to try and acknowledge the other sides viewpoints in writing for the purpose of a discussion on GameFaqs then you are technically going to be submitting transphobia. Regardless of intent, and that could be considered offensive. So not going to do that.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

This translates to: What i want to say is going to get me banned

He asked me to try and defend transphobia from a conservative pov. Im not doing that.

We were discussing being able to put yourselves in other peoples shoes and see things from their PoV so you can better deconstruct their arguments and eventually change their mindset and bring them over to your own PoV.

I still agree with that practice in theory but homie found a surefire example of where I cant actually do that.

Well Done. I concede.

TheLiarParadox posted...

He's friends and associates with some of the MMA world's more outspoken transphobes. He won't be able to speak candidly on this.

FTR I denounce Jake Shields, and everything he posts on Twitter.

He did use to be one of my mma coaches back in the day, but I dont agree or support anything he says on Twitter whatsoever. Also havent even seen the guy since before covid. He moved out of San Francisco and went to Las Vegas.

lolife67 posted...

Ok. Tell me the nuance between the side that thinks being trans is a mental illness and not a legitimate gender identity?

Bro, you gotta choose a different topic. Its not safe for either of us to go in that direction regardless of our intent fandom just released that statement and all.

lolife67 posted...

Right! We could try actually holding them accountable with a zero tolerance policy but the issue is that Democrats, as a whole, aren't really progressive.

What?

lolife67 posted...

You are aware that every generation is more progressive than the previous one, right?

I certainly use to believe that. Then Trump took office.

Time and history are on our side, so you're "fears" are unfounded and, again, show you really don't know what you're talking about.

It might be on our side. Thats true, but like, Im not really willing to let them take office again in the meantime. It makes sense just to try and appeal to those swing voters and attempt to dent their political power by influencing their current userbase to ease closer and closer to the the middle

lolife67 posted...

Who said they can't cross over? Nobody's blocking that except for themselves. And if others decide to side with them then screw them too. Why do you so desperately want to be friends with someone who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire?

I think we should actively campaign to try and get them to swing over. That involves being able to put the shoe on the other foot sotospeak, and try to understand their side of the issue. Thats the dialogue we need, and thats where the nuance lies. Figure out the nuance, and swing them over.

TheGoldenEel posted...

man how tf can somebody be aware who bassnectar is and not know what went down with him

I dont actually follow musician, like news and stuff. I just hear a song I like and add it to the playlist.

Or in regard to my work life, I get exposed to these artists based on whos playing the party. Thats how I discovered things like Alesso, 3LAU, and Steve Aoki

Tyranthraxus posted...

To side with the people that want equality

But how do you convince the folks currently sided against it to suddenly make that change and jump over the line?

We ignore them? Just hope the younger generation advancing into voting age gives democracts the numbers necessary to not have to worry about swing voters?

havean776 posted...

Nope. We out number them by a lot. Every year we out number them by even more. They have to change or be changed. Repubs can't attract young voters because they have nothing to offer so instead they despratly try to restrict thier voting, that won't work forever.

We do not need them.

So the goal is to just age them out, and encourage younger voters to vote?

Are there any studies done regarding the children of republican families voting democract when they advance into voting age?

I am generally curious. Because that would mean social media is influencing the younger generation in spite of their environment.

I use to argue this (in person, never online) back before Trump took office. But once he did I kind of let it die out.

lolife67 posted...

Not sure. But kicking the ball further down the field certainly isn't it. All that does is preserve an imperfect system that only continues to harm marginalized groups.

If it were me, I say we draw a line in the sand and stop trying to act like the other side actually has any merit. There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with them. We continue to call them out for exactly what they are.

But then how do you keep them out of power? We have elections and we have to win the vote. But if draw the line and refuse to let them cross over, but the other side doesnt comply and they start working to encourage people hop over the line

lolife67 posted...

Exactly! There's no middle ground between those that want true equality/equity and those that don't. Thinking there is comes off as incredibly stupid.

So whats the solution?

Powdered_Toast posted...

Hornyposting is banned sitewide, it doesn't matter where you post it.

Uhh. I think they are way more lenient on the sex board

AnsestralRecall posted...

or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress

But you can only do that if the law is voted on and passed, and you need them to help you pass that policy

lolife67 posted...

Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about.

You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take.

You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime.

LOL, Im watch this movie on Netflix right now and this scene literally just popped on as I was browsing this topic

https://youtu.be/3XM1NVWLT30?si=iLC0zrB4VeGLt21w

LonelyStoner posted...

I was big into dubstep in the 2010s. The fallout from Bassnectar being a proven groomer (I had my suspicions from the get go) was sad. I know so many people who paid big money to have their tattoos covered up after that one. And now hes playing again.

bro. You just ruined him for. That sucks. I still have him in my playlist

WingsOfGood posted...

why does it matter?

Its so toxic. People use to share the cool things they did, and meet up with other users to go and do cool stuff.

I use to host a EVO house in Vegas for Board 208. I got that same crew together for the first Twitch-Con. We need to go back ti that vibe.

Back when folks could post a photo of themselves with Stan Lee at a convention and folks would be like thats super cool, congratulations last time I tried posting I was at ComicCon a bunch of folks just came in and died on the hill that everyone at the convention is a smelly loser and so was I for being there.