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I don't see Netflix continuing business with Kevin Spacey.

I spent most of Martha Jones waiting for someone better than Martha Jones.

pinky0926 posted...

OctilIery posted...

Also, eckleston was better than Tennant, but Tennant is great.

That's a very unusual opinion. Most people put Tennant as the greatest.

Donna is terrific though.

Yeah I've heard that, and I can understand it, but I enjoyed eckleston so much more for some reason.

No doctor who fans here? :(

Just finished with the first Donna season, I'm gonna be so disappointed if she's gone for good, she was the best companion so far :(

Also, eckleston was better than Tennant, but Tennant is great.

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Balrog0 posted...

OctilIery posted...

You make it sound so simple. How would spending more help when the problem is they don't have enough people applying or volunteering?

could spend more on outreach efforts

could pay them more

OctilIery posted...

And keep in mind, I'm not talking just about Cali - this is done all over the PNW and West Coast.

Oregon is even worse in this regard than California is -- Washington is better, but still worse than states like Georgia or Florida.

If fires are such a problem, they should respond appropriately. What justification is there for these areas to have fewer firefighters than these places I've mentioned ?

Fire isn't a big issue except for a small part of the year.

armandro posted...

she probably got it to stalk you

She got it three years ago >.>;

Monolith1676 posted...

I am guessing her name is Molly Palm.

Nah CE is out of date, Molly and I broke up.

Balrog0 posted...

spend more on firefighters

You make it sound so simple. How would spending more help when the problem is they don't have enough people applying or volunteering?

And keep in mind, I'm not talking just about Cali - this is done all over the PNW and West Coast.

Balrog0 posted...

No qualified applicants except inmates who only apply because they have no real alternatives. Sounds like an investment in firefighters and firefighting equipment is in order, but is being deferred due to the available slave labor. Exactly what I'm talking about.

They invest quite a bit in firefighters. This isn't something they can just throw more money at.

Monolith1676 posted...

OctilIery posted...

Monolith1676 posted...

Yes, your right hand does have GameFAQs account.

Swing and a miss.

No pic of your girlfriend = she doesn't exist.

No pic of my girlfriend = I'm not a dumbass who gives her pic to people who've proven they can't be trusted :P

Balrog0 posted...

It's not about dey terk er jerbs, it's the lack of public investment in a state that really needs to invest more in fighting fires.

So, how would you propose they invest in that? Given that it's something that's only needed for a very small portion of the year?

averagejoel posted...

OctilIery posted...

Not pretending it's voluntary. They have to apply and work towards acceptance. That makes it voluntary.

And no, they aren't taking advantage of firefighters. You don't seem to understand the situation - it isn't that they don't hire enough, it's that there aren't enough qualified applicants to fight these massive blazes. You keep talking about how "Oh, they just don't want to pay them" when most of the firefighters there are volunteering, and the limiting factor is far more likely to be equipment than bodies.

They aren't taking anyone's jobs, they're pitching in to help in emergencies.

it seems pretty clear to me that they're being exploited

Except they aren't. They should be given a better wage, but other than that, this is a program that would be good even in a good prison system.

Monolith1676 posted...

Yes, your right hand does have GameFAQs account.

Swing and a miss.

The first three are respected. The fourth depends on who you talk to, after that they took generic scripts and put Pinhead in them.

Went to log in on her computer and saw it >.>;

Only provisional though, she's never used it.

Muffinz0rz posted...

OctilIery posted...

Incredibly underrated

Like Octillery

<3

Balrog0 posted...

OctilIery posted...

It helps inmates and it helps firefighters. Thus why both are generally extremely happy about the system.

OctilIery posted...

And while the incentives of prison labor are dangerous, they don't apply to this. This is a situational program used in emergencies to help fight wildfires, and it isn't taking jobs from anyone because there simply aren't enough firefighters as is, and many working the wildfires are volunteering.

yeah, exactly, it's a way to undercut the actual need for firefighters and pay/hire less of them while pretending it's a net good for society

I bet firefighters would be more happy to get expanded benefits and more help that is compensated at a fair wage.

it absolutely applies in this situation. pretending it's voluntary is stupid when the people there aren't allowed to pursue any jobs that pay more than $2/hr or, you know, leave the facility otherwise.

Not pretending it's voluntary. They have to apply and work towards acceptance. That makes it voluntary.

And no, they aren't taking advantage of firefighters. You don't seem to understand the situation - it isn't that they don't hire enough, it's that there aren't enough qualified applicants to fight these massive blazes. You keep talking about how "Oh, they just don't want to pay them" when most of the firefighters there are volunteering, and the limiting factor is far more likely to be equipment than bodies.

They aren't taking anyone's jobs, they're pitching in to help in emergencies.

Incredibly underrated, but one of the best horror movies I've ever seen. Some parts of that will stick with me forever.

And while the incentives of prison labor are dangerous, they don't apply to this. This is a situational program used in emergencies to help fight wildfires, and it isn't taking jobs from anyone because there simply aren't enough firefighters as is, and many working the wildfires are volunteering.

Balrog0 posted...

it's basically a way to screw both inmates and firefighters while pretending you're helping both

It helps inmates and it helps firefighters. Thus why both are generally extremely happy about the system.

gunplagirl posted...

"Hey what if we paid prison people LESS THAN MINIMUM to do jobs because we give them better conditions than the prisons which have such terrible conditions that it's intellectually dishonest to say something is better than it because most everything has better conditions? You know, because rather than paying for programs like Europe has to aid in reducing repeat offenses, we can make it so only the ones who are really good and unlikely to repeat can get the resources needed to avoid coming back?"

The only benefits that this has is because it gives something when all our prison systems are designed to do is take. Take time and labor for nearly free. Prisons should by default work towards helping make sure prisoners get rehabilitated. Instead, we have things so twisted that people think paying them for practically slave labor is somehow a good program.

Yes, things are fucked up. Yes, the program is only great in comparison to the rest of the system.

But shouldn't you be complaining about the system then, and not attacking one of the few functional parts of it?

CatFAQS posted...

well? the PIC is modern slavery

It is, but I wasn't defending the system in general, only one particular part of it.

gunplagirl posted...

averagejoel posted...

I'm not sure how the inmate firefighter program works - how is it any different from other prison labour?

It's prison labor but in life endangering situations at a dollar an hour in California and no other states that I'm aware of

It's a volunteer program, gets $2 an hour(low, but still higher than any other prison job), less dangerous than typical firefighter work, gives them better housing and time off their sentence, gives them job skills and letters of recommendation that help them get work and reduce recidivism, and is done across the east coast and highly appreciated by firefighters and inmates alike.

cerealbox760 posted...

jayj350 posted...

Gotta love how all these companies are stepping in when we have an administration that is so unwilling to help.

its not the governments job to help people.

Wrong.

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Balrog0 posted...

Also just considering it's an awful opinion

But it isn't.

Because I explained how the prison firefighter program is one of the few programs in our prisons that's actually legitimately good and helpful.

Banned for slavery apologia.

The only intelligent choice is to abolish it.

I've got no audible offer when I go to that link :(

Kylo finds he hates himself and the answers he's found through Snoke, and turns away from the dark side to try and seek redemption. Meanwhile, Rey seeks training and knowledge, but Luke refuses her. She knows too much to stop, and is seduced by Snoke's promises, leading her to the dark side.

Am heavily liberal. Am vehemently against this law. There's no good reason.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

OctilIery posted...

Assuming that guns are properly removed not just banned in name, home invasions are a lot less scary because they won't have guns either.

What if there's 3+ invaders? What if they do have guns that they obtained illegally or created on their own? What if they have other weapons? Why should you put yourself and your family at risk when instead you could use deadly force to guarantee that the invaders won't be a threat?

Instead of trying to fight them off with alarms and flashing lights and a baseball bat.

If they do have guns your best answer is still the same, hide and escape, pulling your own guns would only make the situation more volatile.

Assuming that guns are properly removed not just banned in name, home invasions are a lot less scary because they won't have guns either.

billcom6 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Everything I'm reading pretty much shows that I shouldn't worry, but still.
She seems to not be worrying at all as well

I don't see why any sexually active female isn't on birth control.

Tell her to get on birth control.

Because birth control has a lot of complicated side effects that make it not fit every woman.

I actually don't think this is a terrible idea with all the safety features they're offering....but you have to pay so much to be able to do it. Special lock for your door and a security system? If you have money for that, you aren't shopping at Wal-Mart.

Bad_Mojo posted...

We don't know who's in the right,

So maybe stop blaming them? If they're in the right, the when doesn't matter.

Yes, how dare they protect their buisiness.

The_Russians posted...

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OpheliaAdenade posted...

Tezlok posted...

Modern protestors should learn from the hippy ones that put flowers in cop guns.

you'd still get shot for getting that close to an officer's gun though. :v cops shoot to kill nowadays.

"Nowadays"


Uhh. Guilt used to just be assumed until the 1800's.

Then anyone could be a cop and they had no training

Now they have safety training

But when cops don't shoot, they get shot more often. More cops are murdered than cops who murder people (outside of shootouts and stuff)

Some cop was patting someone down and the person pulled out a gun.

Here's something terrifying: I had a resume in my inbox the other day, and the guy is currently a reserve officer. Under education he listed he was in high school for 7 years and currently working on his GED.

W
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F

Nothing about that means he's a bad cop.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

AssultTank posted...

That's easy to say. But just remember, if you don't disable or disarm them with the first hit, you're dead.

Wouldn't take more than one hit if it's a heavy duty skillet, trust me. This isn't my first time at the rodeo.

And you know for a fact you won't miss? No chance you'll make a mistake? No chance you'll get hurt?

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

Assisted suicide is illegal. If anything this cop should be suspended and investigated.

A knife is not a dangerous weapon at 20 fucking feet...

You have no idea what you're talking about, but do go on. You're also the same guy who said that "every time a hillbilly overdoses an angel gets their wings" so I already know you're not really worth taking seriously. It's pretty clear that you just hate white people and cops.

1. I'm sorry if you're scared of knives at 20 feet. It's ok to be a coward.

2. None of this has to do with hillbillies or overdoses.

3. I'm white. What does that have to do with anything lmao

A suspect with a knife within 21 feet is considered an imminent threat. They can easily cause serious harm.

MutantJohn posted...

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MutantJohn posted...

OctilIery posted...

MutantJohn posted...

and adds no value to the overall story.

Incorrect. It's actually very fitting thematically and story wise.

Alright well, if you stick this landing you'll get a gold in mental gymnastics.

For one, Bev dealing with her sexuality is a big part of the book. For two, IT has such a hold over them because they're children, and as they're trying to leave the sewer, they're thematically trying to leave their childhood behind, so they need to do something that will bring them into adulthood. To a kid(especially one dealing with issues of sexuality), that fits. It's also something to seal their bond as friends.

You didn't land clean so you'll be unfortunately leaving with bronze.

Basically, cocaine + desire to deliver shock value = them kids running a train on bev

If he was going for shock value, why write it in such a tame way? It isn't particularly explicit.

Been on three dates with this girl. Slept with her(figuiratively and literally), and now I've met her family(though briefly and unintentionally).

Aww yisss

MutantJohn posted...

OctilIery posted...

MutantJohn posted...

and adds no value to the overall story.

Incorrect. It's actually very fitting thematically and story wise.

Alright well, if you stick this landing you'll get a gold in mental gymnastics.

For one, Bev dealing with her sexuality is a big part of the book. For two, IT has such a hold over them because they're children, and as they're trying to leave the sewer, they're thematically trying to leave their childhood behind, so they need to do something that will bring them into adulthood. To a kid(especially one dealing with issues of sexuality), that fits. It's also something to seal their bond as friends.

MutantJohn posted...

and adds no value to the overall story.

Incorrect. It's actually very fitting thematically and story wise.

I'd rather get a sequel to Season of the Witch!