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Nominations will begin at 8:00PM EDT/0000 UTC on November 1, and will last seven days until November 7. Each day of nominations is 24 hours. You will be able to nominate one new game a day, up to a total of five*, with the option of nominating an extra game if you missed nominations the day before.

Negatively correlated, I assume.

I see. But if a game had one really awesome song and thought it could survive until the later stages otherwise, it arguably might be strategic to make that song the alt. Which is counterintuitive, but this set-up kinda promotes that possibility.

I'm assuming you mean that we refrain from reusing tracks that were on BOST5's main bracket setlists? Erm, that is, I'm assuming you are talking about tracks that were in actual matches last contest that should be excluded? (as in, anything on a setlist that hasn't been in a BOST5 match is still fair game?)

Distant Worlds variations wouldn't be associated with a game, even if the original was from a game. NFUN is referring to tracks that appear on OST releases, but aren't in the actual game.

If I support and s then the song list gets changed to something I don't like, can I retract the support? In this particular case, say I'm in the minority opinion and other supports are happy with the nomination list.

For song cutoff, I would suggest going with random selection from the games nominated on the cutoff day. So if two games are tied and the were both nominated on Day 1 and there only 1 slot, the one of those two games are chosen at random. So nominating on an earlier day is an advantage but games nominated during the first minute of a particular day are considered equal to games nominated during the last minute of the same day.

How many songs are in a set list exactly?

1. Nominations will begin at 8:00PM EDT/0000 UTC on November 1, and will last seven days until November 7. Each day of nominations is 24 hours. You will be able to nominate one new game a day, up to a total of five*, with the option of nominating an extra game if you missed nominations the day before.
2. The support period will end on November 9 at 7:00PM EST/0000 UTC. Until this time, you will be free to support any number of games you like that have already been nominated. The extra two days will not permit any new nominations, so you are free to listen to the already submitted games without extra pressure. If you wish to support a song, please clearly state that your vote is a support. You will not be able to retract supports barring extraordinary circumstances.
3. A game's nominator is the captain. However, its supporters are its navigators. The nominator has the final say for a game's setlist, but please listen to your supporters' thoughts and opinions, and earnestly work to find some kind of consensus. You can edit your list until the end of the support period. Before you do, ask your supporters if they're ok with the changes, hopefully at least a day in advance.

1. Songs nominated must either be from your game, or if they're licensed, strongly associated with and popularized by the game. Remixes of ineligible songs that were made for the game are cool.
2. Songs from official remix albums, soundtrack-only songs & arrangements, trailers, etc, are fine. I only ask that the majority of tracks in the main setlist be VGMC eligible (ie, play in-game or are soundtrack-only but not remixes).
3. Royalty-free music can be nominated for any game it appears in.
4. Games that have won previous BOST contests are ineligible. These are: Ar tonelico II, Shatter, Atelier Ayesha, Bravely Default, and Umineko ~ Question Arcs.
5. Games that appeared in BOST 5 are eligible, however, I ask that you refrain from reusing tracks from them that appeared in last year's main bracket if possible.
6. If a game can be broken into segments, the rule of thumb for whether you can use songs from any part or if you have to choose one is that if a part of the game can be played standalone, it cannot be put into a main setlist. For example, songs from World of Warcraft expansions can be put into a "World of Warcraft" set, while songs from Shovel Knight campaigns can only be put into sets specific to that campaign.
7. If you have to ask... just ask lol

1. After the support period ends, the 64 games with the most supports will be used in the contest. This will be determined first by number of support votes, followed by the time nominated with earliest nominations taking priority.
2. The tournament itself will be a standard double-elimination bracket of 64, consisting of a Winner's Bracket and a Loser's Bracket. Thus, each game needs to be defeated twice to be eliminated from the contest.
3. There will also be a snubs' bracket. It will also be 64 songs, single-elimination, and it will take games on an auto-include basis, with the number of games a nominator gets to include being correlated with how many of their nominations got into the main bracket.
4. For the main bracket, songs will be chosen completely randomly from your main set. In the snubs' bracket, songs will be chosen according to the placing in your nominations. The first three songs will be chosen without replacement from the songs in the 4/5/6 slot, and the next two songs from the 2/3 slot. The finals will use the 1 song.
5. In the main bracket, after round 6 until the finals, games will use their "alternate" songs. The finals will feature three random songs from the main set, and if a rematch is needed due to the losers' bracket champion earning a bracket reset, the other three songs will be used.

oh yeah i'm wondering is nomination period just going to work the same as last time with 1 set per day no cap on supports, not sure if this was specified

(Although if you're limiting loser's brackets to ONLY the top 3 songs, which was a line in post 43 that I've mostly ignored here, I'm curious how that works.)

Okabe > Kurisu

but I do like both of them a lot

Isn't it still disadvantageous to have more than 7 songs, assuming you can objectively rank them? If you "use up" all 7 songs, you can potentially loop back to your best immediately, whereas if you include an 8th, that's guaranteed to go first.

Overall, the new system of setting up matches seems to be a huge improvement over BOST5! I'm still a bit worried about a potential large increase in nominations, though. In BOST5 we had 175 nominated games. I'm expecting at least 225 games this time if nominations are done the same as last time. We had a cap of seven nominations per user in BOST5. Should it be dropped to five or six this time around so we're not as overwhelmed with all the music to go through? (and also... please don't remove the snubs bracket!)

oh is it audience participation sharing or did someone specific book

Random song selected for each match.
A song can't be selected again until every song has had a turn.
If a song loses, it is fully removed from rotation so a game can't lose twice with the same song.

oh yeah i forgot that as somebody who had my best (snubs) set die to an unfortunate 2v3 matchup last time i'd rather that not happen again tbh

for the main bracket i guess it's not a big deal since there's still the losers safety net but definitely would rather non-randomised snubs specifically (maaaaybe something like 456-321 just so it's not super brutal on ones that drop off a bit by 6 and don't get to show off some better songs)

• Nominators choose 6 main songs, then some number (>=1) of side songs for tiebreakers/losers
• In the main bracket, for each game, a random song is selected--a different # for each game
• Each song can only be used once until all songs from it have been selected
• In losers', a random song from the top 3 is selected for each game
• If a match ties, or a game runs out of songs, a random song from its secondary pool is selected
• When a game has used all of its songs, its list is refreshed. If it lost a match, the song it lost by is not in the new pool

clearly what you need to do for finals is pick songs from a sequel to the game in question and if it doesn't have one it automatically loses

Nov 1

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"the dividing line between man and beast" is such a weird phrase tbh

That last paragraph makes total sense. I obviously disagree, but there are plenty of other laws I disagree with.

I originally asked for the logic behind the laws, and I guess the logic is people value animals not having to feel unnecessary pain more than they value whatever psychological or material gain the person/people causing the pain are getting from it

Fair statement?

Only humans have reason, and thats the dividing line between man and beast

you say pain is bad but that implies a universal morality outside of the rights we grant as a society. Where does the concept that pain is bad come from if you dont believe in natural rights?

I guess my question is, what deeper purpose does granting rights to animals serve?

do you not swat bugs who annoy you?

I still dont really understand the logic behind animal rights, but maybe Im the weird one

People who support a game don't necessarily look at the songs in the setlist before casting their support.