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Lol, any normal posters have any questions?

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Lmao, BMC backing down.

Come at me, please.

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I'm also not surprised that this went over alot of people's heads. I used some words that might be too big for BMC to comprehend. So that's my bad.

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Everything I posted is 100% accurate. I am literally asking u guys to copy paste any statement from my OP and I will post the source. The fact that people are incapable of doing that just proves their brains are smooth. Perfect example is BMC who is losing his mind about sources. Its clear he's just trying to gas light because he knows if he challenges me in any substantial way he's going to get his ass rekt harder than if he were to take Ivermectin in horse doses.

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See: my last statement in OP about reproducing.

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^how to reveal yourself as an ivermectin supporting dumbass without saying you're an ivermectin supporting dumbass.

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BigMeatyClaws posted...

So no credible source

Point out a statement and I'll post the source. u mad?

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SquantoZ posted...

I believe you but where is your source Dan_Haren?

I posted a whole summary of everything because I've been following everything since the beginning. What statement do you need a source for?

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I'm sure yall have heard plenty of mixed things about ivermectin. Its a drug used to treat certain types of parasites. There were some early studies that it could have some anti-viral properties (in a lab) and it has some anti-inflammatory properties. Its been trialed in humans and there have been no good studies to suggest that there is any clinical benefit. There are some studies to suggest that it can help with several different clinical endpoints, and some studies suggest that it can make things worse. All of these are small studies with significant limitations in their methods and really can't be use to draw any conclusions. There are some meta-analysis - which basically combines all these small studies to draw conclusions. The problem with doing this is, if all your small studies are garbage, then your overall conclusions will be garbage. Some of these meta analysis suggested an overall benefit so people ran with it without putting it in context. Now we know that one of the bigger studies that suggested one of the most benefits was seriously flawed and has been retracted due to plagiarism and falsifying data. These were included in these meta-analysis studies so those are now being re-done. One of the most well respected systematic reviews, the cochrane database did a review of all the data and showed that there was really no benefit and basically determined that most of those small studies are straight trash. Again, cochrane is probably the most well respected place for these kinds of review articles that evaluate quality of data and summarize it.

Again, there is no good quality study or data to suggest that Ivermectin helps in any way.

So if anyone says Ivermectin is the cure, they are fucking stupid af and hopefully they dont reproduce cuz the last thing we need is more fucking stupid people in this country.

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Well the theory is that alcohol can suppress your immune system, so you won't be maximizing your body's immune response from the vaccine. So its probably not a good idea. I think 1 or 2 drinks should be fine but I would't go overboard, and I'd avoid it altogether for a few days if I could.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Do they not watch tv, interact with any other kids, ever leave the house?

Tell me what toddler TV show has characters wearing masks

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This is like middle school level math.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

If the child is 2, the pandemic has been going on for most of their life.

and the child has been in lockdown at home most of his life, not needing a mask.

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He's tall for his age, so even when we flew at 20 months they were coming at us like, "he needs to wear a mask" and I'd be like, "he's not 2". Like they were annoyingly aggressive about it. I'm talking about Southwest.

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yea ima buy a paw patrol or baby shark mask and just have him practice at home.

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I had a good education, I went to a highly competitive high school. My teachers were all amazing. But at the end of the day they didn't write the textbooks and they have only so much control over the curriculum.

Our history is painted in a way thats skewed to make us appear in a positive light, theres absolutely no doubt about that. We don't accurately learn what our founding fathers and key figures throughout our history were truly like. We don't accurately learn about the dirty politics they engaged in and things that were looked down upon. All atrocities that america committed were justified in our history books. We also don't learn accurately why we did certain things. We learned the facts that happened, the dates, the events, but without any accurate depth.

I enjoy history and I still read history books. When my kid is in school learning this stuff, I fully plan to teach him what really happened with sources. What my hope is that he learns to think outside the box and challenge what he's told and always tries to get to the bottom of things on his own.

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BeyondWalls posted...

The same way you get them to wear a shirt and shoes. You dont wait till 1 hour before boarding to strap a mask to their face.

they've been wearing those since they were born. they haven't been wearing masks since they were born. we certainly plan to practice but its not easy

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I'm the most gung ho pro-mask, pro-vax person you'll find but getting a 2 year old to wear a mask is essentially impossible. I'm in a tough situation where I now have to drive my 2 year old across the country because theres no way he will wear a mask. So instead of a 4 hour flight, it'll be a 4 day trip, cuz a toddler can sit in a car seat for only so long until they go wild. We'll have to make frequent stops so he can run around outside and burn some energy.

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I agree, honestly I think it'll do alot of good for society. Incels are becoming a more common problem in society, this should help them alot.

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Mr Hangman posted...

I have no alts. And I'm not "thinking I'm so right about something." I think the CDC's (current) position on masking is based on weak evidence. And as the article shows, there are a number of professors in epidemiology who are also doubting the conclusions that the CDC is drawing from their studies.

They're routinely ignoring negative results. It's common practice in academia, unfortunately.

If you want to wear one, go ahead, I think there's little downside for most people most of the time. But I also don't think general mandates are an effective mitigation strategy. The last paragraph quotes an immunologist who agrees that they are a distraction from effective measures like vaccines.

You have to judge quality of evidence. Not every negative study is the same. In this case we have evidence that says masks help. Even though theres no good evidence to say it helps in kids, theres also no good evidence to say its useless in kids. I pointed out valid criticisms of the OP study. Based on the summary of data, the risks/benefits would lean towards mandating masks.

"Distraction" from vaccines is just a stupid argument tbh. It completely downplays any attempt for multi-modal strategy. Just because 1 is more effective than the other doesn't mean you ignore the others. Thats just bad medicine and bad practice.

Vinay Prasad is a guy who has been shunned in the medical community because of his dumb stances that are misleading and likely just done to get followers. I doubt you'll see many legit doctors agreeing with him, unless they themselves are anti-mask quacks who want attention as well. So honestly quoting this guy doesn't help your cause.


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No, I wouldn't. Only scenario would be if she's attacking my wife or kids.

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God its been so long since I've had sex. Blue balled af right now.


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I wish people would stop being so goddamn fucking stupid.

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And all the people complaining about the CDC flip flopping - the CDC follows the evidence. When the pandemic started we were going by knowledge of SARS and MERS, there was almost no data to guide treatment. They always factor in quality of data as well and risk/benefit. These are things that non-medical professionals simply can't judge on their own. So as new evidence comes out, they change their recommendations. The fact that they aren't rigid is a good thing. When it comes to this article in the opening post, it most definitely does not mean that 'masks for kids dont help'. What they studied was 'required' vs 'optional' masks for kids. Its simply not enough data to guide a recommendation to not 'require' masks. This is a simple conclusion for any medical professional to make, but non-medical professionals absolutely lose their minds over it.

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There was a 21% reduction in cases when masks were "required" for kids as opposed to "optional". They determined that it was not a statistically significant number.

The conclusion from that is not that "masks are useless". They don't give any data on how many kids actually wore masks in the "optional" group and how many were actually compliant in the "required" group. And they also provide no analysis to say why "21% reduction" is not statistically significant.

The accurate conclusion should be, "required masks for teachers/staff and improved ventilation strategies help" and "not enough data to determine if required masks for kids makes a significant difference" and "future studies are needed with more accurate counts and reporting, in a more controlled manner, to determine if required masks for kids makes a statistically significant difference".

This is why we can't rely on non-medical people to interpret medical studies, people have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

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As long as they come in a steady stream and not overload the ICU and hospital system, then whatever, its their choice to play covid russian roulette. The problem is the surge that fills up the hospital and potentially diminishes care for other patients.

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Because the vast majority of people don't have beautiful bodies.

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This is just the way things go. All you can do is sigh. The "I told you so" is implied. And its not even worth asking if they're gonna change because theres still a good chance they won't and its just gonna mind boggle you even more. These guys are all fucking idiots.

If I had an anti-mask / anti-vax friend, I would honestly just distance myself from them. Like, you can only talk to someone to a certain extent. This is just reckless and stupid. I would not want to be associated with idiots like this.

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Saw a funny and accurate meme the other day,
Nurse: *hanging 5 different IV medications* So why didn't you get the vaccine?
Patient: No one knows whats in it
Nurse: I just gave you like 5 different IV medications you didn't ask me whats in any of these
Patient: -________-


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I check my back stuff once every few months, specifically to avoid situations like these.

I actually manually go through every expense (checking, savings, credit) and manually enter in all my income, gifts, etc into a spreadsheet. I have it extensively sorted by type of expense (house, car, bills, food, etc) theres a bunch of categories. At the end I can see exactly what my net monthly finances look like, and net yearly, and I can see exactly where things are going. Then you realize the good and the bad. Like I spent $60 on starbucks last year. Thats impressive. I spent $250 on chipotle last year. I've cut back this year significantly.

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Walgreens does fucking suck, ngl

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Its just not fair that these trash states can get away with low income tax and leech off larger states. All while bringing the country down by keeping the pandemic ongoing.

Biden should honestly pull a page out of Trumps playbook, if these trash states don't improve their vaccination rates, then the federal government should withhold some financial support to them. For example of Texas and Florida want to no restrictions and let the pandemic run wild, they should be punished accordingly. If the people don't want it that way then recall their governors and vote someone else in.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Alright, i hadn't heard that from anyone else either, so i figured either something else was going on or he just hadn't really been noting his o2 levels prior and is just really conscious of it now for some reason

Its alot more complex than just "I got the vaccine now my oxygen is 93-95%". For someone who truly has a low oxygen saturation or shortness of breath, its at least a 20-30 min doctors office initial visit + several tests and possibly repeated visits, and possibly a specialist, to really get to the bottom of it. Not to mention the questions you posed about his measurements are all valid as well and need to be addressed.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

I'm provaccine

My neighbor is an avid biker. He got the vaccine in may(not sure which one) and claims his O2 level has been lower since then (around 93-95)

I don't know if the vaccine could cause this. He could have also had covid at some point and not known it

I did a quick literature search, theres been no reports of vaccine related sats dropping or any lung disease, by any of the vaccines. It just doesn't make any sense either for someones O2 saturation to drop in an isolated fashion without any other symptoms. If he's not symptomatic then its nothing to worry about and theres absolutely no reason to monitor his saturation. If he's having shortness of breath then he should see a doctor.

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Anyone else have any concerns? Again I'm happy to address these with actual numbers and facts. I won't attack anyone, this is a safe zone.

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I've also said this many times, the pure mortality numbers are misleading in how severe the disease is. We're just getting better at treating it and keeping people alive. Theres approximately a 1 in 10 chance of getting covid and 1 in 50 chance of dying if you get it, thus the 1 in 500 chance of dying if unvaccinated. But what this doesn't account for is the significant number of people who get on ventilators and leave the ICU with tracheostomies, feeding tubes, and bed bound. Older patients will most likely die within a year of complications from being bed bound and on a tracheostomy like pressure sores and pneumonia. Younger patients will go through months and years of rehab and never return back to normal. They will always have some degree of shortness of breath and chest pains which limit their daily function. They are essentially handicap even a year out. I'm reading numbers that approximately 15-60% of ICU patients die, most being around the 20-40% range. If we extrapolate using those numbers, then if you have COVID, while the chance of dying is 1 in 50, your chance of experiencing those long term complications is probably around 1 in 15-20 or so.

As a young health person, its not necessarily death I would fear, it would be having these complications and never returning to my baseline level of function. I love running, working out, playing sports, I wouldn't be able to do those things to nearly the same level. I'd hate to get SOB just playing with my toddler. Thats what scares me and thats a much higher probablity than dying.

Meanwhile the chances of any significant side effect of the vaccine is equivalent to the odds of getting struck by lightening or getting into an airplane crash.

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TwoBit_Samurai posted...

In the school district I work at, we have been open 4 days, and the covid cases between students and staff are over 200. I worked during the school opening last year, and this is completely different. While we have a mask mandate, there are just too many kids to police this rule for the teachers. I walk through the halls and there are high school kids with masks entirely off, noses showing, pulled down under chins, etc. It is a mess. Last year was treated almost as if students were in prison. Single file lines through the halls with distancing/masks and a couple of teachers to make sure everyone is doing what they should.

A neighboring district has been open a few days longer, and they have had 4 staff members die of covid so far. Though that district does not have a mask mandate.

All staff should be required to be vaccinated.
On top of that if I'm a teacher, I'd wear an N95 most of the time and keep some hand sanitizer with me on a keychain attached to a necklace so I can easily just squeeze some and clean my hands.


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TheRock88 posted...

People were also mad last year during the height of the pandemic when he told everyone to mask up and stay inside unless its for essential things (gas, food, etc) but he was caught at this fancy restaurant without a mask and partying with a bunch of friends and not practicing social distancing.

Which boggles my mind tbh. If ur doctor tells you not to smoke and do drugs and he's smoking and doing drugs in his spare time, it doesn't make him a bad doctor because its still good advice.

"He's not wearing a mask, why should we?!!"

Just idiotic logic in light of the fact that he's done an amazing job for the state with regards to the pandemic, which is still continuing to decimate states.

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BuckVanHammer posted...

I'm very much pro, but my mom is refusing because of blood clots?

love my mom and always will, but I've lost alot of respect thats for sure. fucking depressing...

The risk of blood clots is approximately 1-12 per million for the johnson & johnson vaccine (depending on the age, gender, and risk factors) I'm assuming your mom is older, in which case her risk is actually less. The highest risk group is 30-40 year old females at 12 per million. If she's not a female between 30 and 50, her risk is less than 4 per million. AstraZeneca also had an approximately similar risk of blood clots but I dont have exact numbers for you.

Moderna and Pfizer were not linked to blood clots at all.


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whitelytning posted...

I'm not defending the southern governors or people that don't wear masks (I'm fully vaxed and wear a mask). They should be mandating masks in schools and vaccines in any public sector job. I just don't see 430 as a big number.

There was a story recently about my county having its first kid under 15 die and to me, I was more surprised that it was the first one after such a long time. We have gone over a year in a global pandemic and have had only 430 kids in total die. Don't get me wrong, it would better if that number was 0, but it just doesn't seem like something to cause fear or justify closing schools again when the number is so low.

Kids are super resilient, way more than adults. So a sick kid in the ICU has a high chance of bouncing back. I'm not surprised so few kids have died but I bet you a significant more are in the ICU if not intubated. Do you really want to put your kids through that?

Pediatric ICUs are starting to fill up. School just started 2 weeks ago here in Louisiana. It'll take a few weeks from that for it to really spread. There will be more and more asymptomatic kids who are spreading it and eventually it'll surge among kids, all the while pediatric ICUs are filling up.

Thats what scares me the most, kids not getting optimal care because theres no pediatric ICU beds, so they have to wait in the ER or somewhere else or get flown to a different city, which is already happening.

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Its absolutely hilarious. I haven't laughed this hard in a while. It brings back jackass memories.

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I feel like bi people are the luckiest group, everyone is game. Your pool of potentials literally doubles.

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Do both

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Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

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sabrestorm posted...

is that the same for George Washington and other colonists that had a uprising against england? I think so

No because Washington and the gang fought to govern themselves because they were being treated unfairly.

Imagine if america starts treating Hawaii like shit, like worse than any other state, with extra regulations and fines, extra taxes, and sending in military enforements to keep them in check and even killing civilians. Meanwhile for years they peacefully try to address their grievances. After a while no one lists, so they take arms and win. Thats a better example.

Not pieces of shit terrorists who want to implement fascism.

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Good. Should've shot more of those terrorists.

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I come in peace. I'm just trying to understand what information is out there on social media that people are reading. Like what have you read about it that gives you doubts. What side effects are you worried about?

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It literally just depends on your personality whether you should get married, have kids, or stay in a long-term relationship and not get married, or just stay single

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