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swordz9 posted...

The party of fuck your feelings having absolute meltdowns on social media because Biden was mean, divisive and should apologize lmao fuck your feelings you fascist goons

They like having a victim complex, what can I say?

If another civil war took place, it would involve like a rogue faction instead of how it happened in the 1860s. If it wouldn't just be violence between people of different, gasp, political alignments.

I'm overly used to the older days of YT where I can take everything at face value.

I mean, it was a pretty big movie when it came out!

masterplum posted...

Honestly you get made fun of because you post random non sequiturs that are irrelevant to the current discussion that always revolve around SJWs or what people think of SJWs. I imagine you think about this topic more every day than most people think about it every year

I'll admit I get drawn to that kind of stuff easily for some reason. However part of it is indeed that it mirrors actual US politics so well.

That won't erupt into unpleasantness.

I think the idea is Black Widow is just that good.

Half the idea in the first Avengers is they're a ragtag bunch of misfits ready to turn on each other whenever it suits them and Loki takes advantage of it (this also makes me think of how TV Tropes once had an entire section for the MCU on the page for "Retroactive Idiot Ball" before I nixed it, where one example was basically "Loki could have impersonated any of the Avengers" even though I doubt he knew them well enough by this point). Loki is more of a schemer than a straight-up fighter, which is why I feel like the criticisms of him being seemingly "incompetent" in his show are a little off-base if still understandable.

Also Captain Marvel explains why the team is called the "Avengers".

I know I get made fun of all the time on this board for not knowing any better but it's alarming to see the comments sections for half of these pieces of news on YT be along the lines of "the news is still obsessed with Trump". Like, it can only be trolling at this point.

And they say social justice warriors only care about the message.

To be fair, I think like 30 minutes were chopped out from the film before its theatrical release so it's possible it wasn't the theatrical cut that was screened for test audiences. To be also fair, it's not like the editing was the only criticism of the film, although for something that tries to do so much I can believe that editing it down would only exacerbate any already-existing problems.

Told you there was a limit to how much he could have done just over a year into his Presidency.

Also I'm starting to realize the parallels between the Republican Party and Middle-Eastern terrorists.

BlackDra90n posted...

The Avengers was a great movie. I remember hearing about it before it came out and was thinking how they could get so many characters together onscreen and make it work. Wild to think about all the ensemble movies that came out since then.

I was trying to get this across in the other topic, oh well.

The Avengers is probably my favorite of the four but I feel like it, Infinity War, and Endgame are all comparable in quality.

Yeah I just felt like bringing it up since it seems relative to this thread - for those who don't know, she was CEO of Warner Bros. under AT&T. Some have pointed out her firing has only made WB's optics as far as diversity look even worse considering she was Warner's first female CEO.

LiquidOshawott posted...

Apple and Disney are probably just as bad tbh

In 2020 there were talks about Apple buying out Disney, I kid you not.

Doesn't help that apparently the writers of MoM were unaware of Wandavision until like halfway into the writing process. When watching the movie I felt like joking that Sam Raimi was hired to salvage the mess, or that alternately he was hired entirely because the plot hinges on a book of evil. Unfortunately when I did make that joke it flew right over my family's head because they weren't even aware of Evil Dead - my parents flat-out do not watch horror movies generally.

I also feel like asking if anyone else in this thread has seen Darkman, since that was Raimi's first superhero movie and one of the rare ones not based on a comic book (there were Darkman comics later though).

I googled "Ann Sarnoff SJW" and regretted it pretty quickly since it just confirmed my suspicions.

A good part of Multiverse of Madness is Strange coming to terms with his own grief and him calling Wanda out on her actions not being justified.

Actually no, it was looking up online articles.

It was Age of Ultron that began the disaster dominos leading up to Whedon's fall from grace. Even at the time executive meddling was (correctly) blamed for a lot of Age of Ultron's problems, but then when the similarly-meddled theatrical cut of Justice League came out people started to catch on to the problems with Whedon's writing.

Also find it interesting how Iron Man 3 director Shane Black and Thor: The Dark World's originally-assigned director Patty Jenkins have undergone similar career trajectories since leaving the MCU, with both putting out one critically-acclaimed film (The Nice Guys and Wonder Woman) and one real dud that made people begin to question their talent (The Predator and Wonder Woman 1984).

One and a half years ago actually.

Wandavision ends with her hearing her sons' voices right? So she probably just used the Darkhold to find them and went off the deep end as a result. Not terribly fulfilling but not completely out of nowhere either.

Thorn posted...

Biden is actually pretty good at calling out bullshit-I mean malarkey- like he's in his element there, he should do it a lot more lol.

It's almost like every POTUS has to be a "character".

I spoke about that earlier this thread. I was doing research on what people would actually like Zaslav's purge and sure enough, they were the crowd who were excited about the prospect of a DCEU which would focus on Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman instead of "Batgirl, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman". These dumbasses actually think for some reason that most of the outrage towards Batgirl being cancelled is because of its Latina lead and not because, oh I don't know, the movie was almost finished and it's not like it wasn't lacking for A-level talent. I could go on honestly.

I'm just tired of this crowd putting up a hissy fit at every little thing Marvel does now. Again I did not mean to say the only people who don't like Phase 4 are bigots, holy heck.

Yeah I'm still not used to this guys. Before it seemed like Star Wars got the brunt of this but now I'm convinced at least 40% of criticism directed towards even the sequel trilogy is borne of varying degrees of bigotry, to say nothing of Phase 4. I just really loathe how this taints the discourse surrounding generally flawed works to such an extent.

What in the world is up with WB?

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CassandraCain posted...

If people are bitching about the fourth wall breaking I have to assume it's because they're super Deadpool fans, "only mah deadpool can break the fourth walls!"

At this rate I'm ready to file off half the complaints aimed at Phase 4 as just "go away leftist politics", and from people who likely don't care much about Marvel in the first place.

Phase 4 is basically Disney-era Star Wars. Lots of good criticisms can be made of both and yet so many of the ones that are made are in the worst faith. I dunno if this is an anti-Disney thing or just that these franchises are so big they make easy targets.

For lack of a better topic to bring this up, a big reason I mention anti-progressive YouTube randos so much is because I was genuinely amazed by their takes whereas most of the board probably just wrote them off as alt-right pieces of crap ages ago. Whenever I do check on them out of curiosity I just see channels increasingly devoted to opposing wokeness to the point it seems they've gotten into a "He Who Fights Monsters" mindset or something. It seems like the Republican party in general has become like this and it's really unnerving.

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Even disregarding the crossover aspect, the first Avengers felt like the kind of big blockbuster every film studio deserves to me. I felt Tom Hiddleston as Loki was the MVP of the film.

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This is so maddening all around I don't even know where to begin. And my country doesn't even get HBO Max!

Yeah I wasn't thinking of the shared universe idea, more the general premise of the story.

It's because I was likening The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to The Avengers. For that matter the Snipes Blade movies are owned by Warner Bros. IIRC.

Heck, Disney technically owns the 1966 Batman movie.

Oh yeah huh.

At least what I brought up is related to Marvel. That was supposed to be an addendum to the realization that Disney owns the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie.

Coincidentally I just realized The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen had the same director as the first Blade. Mostly on remembering the Nostalgia Critic cracking a joke at his and writer David S. Goyer's expense about them being "people we thought would be comic book gods" with posters for League and Batman v. Superman showing up on screen.

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I'll fully admit that part of the reason I brought up the DCEU is because I wound up watching a good bit of the ending battles of Batman v. Superman while channel surfing. The action itself was pretty cool but I still got the vibe the movie was trying to accomplish in one film what it took the MCU a whole phase to do.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

its kind of a stretch to cal the League popular characters like the Avengers unless youre posting from 1900 or something

the youth of post-9/11 America were not going crazy for Dorian Gray and Captain Nemo. come see all your favorite public domain characters from your local library team up wasnt an inherently compelling sales pitch

I more meant that League was probably the closest thing to The Avengers before The Avengers. That being said, the Avengers were B-list at best in terms of popularity before the MCU.

Heck look at how the MCU is basically the only shared universe still functioning all that well to see how hard it is to maintain something like it. The next most popular modular franchise of a similar fashion is probably Warner Bros.'s Monsterverse! Speaking of which and not entirely on topic, but how on earth did WB manage that better than the DCEU? They at least gave Godzilla two movies and Kong one movie before jumping into their crossover.

Kojima is such a wonderful troll.

LeonhartFour posted...

I can't see her winning a fourpack unless she somehow lucks into something like the fourpack KOS-MOS got in 2018

Leon Kennedy is the only RE character to ever win a fourpack

Jill Valentine back in '02

MoogleKupo141 posted...

it helps that MCU movies are generally pretty good compared to something like The League of extraordinary Gentlemen which was like universally negatively reviewed

maybe people would have shown up more for the lower tier characters if the movies werent garbage

That was precisely the reason I cited The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which funnily enough is now owned by Disney). It was probably the closest thing to The Avengers before The Avengers but it was generally agreed across the board the execution was, to put it simply, left wanting.

Certain filmmakers would have you believe that merely putting popular characters in a movie together guarantees money. It didn't until The Avengers because no one knew how to execute the concept properly. Heck even after that it didn't guarantee money, see the theatrical cut of Justice League.

I feel like martial arts stuff was generally pretty niche if it still isn't.

Like, Big Trouble in Little China was a huge box-office failure back in the day but people still talk about it. I think that movie has even been cited as an influence on Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor: Ragnarok. Probably a reason Kurt Russell was cast as Star-Lord's father.

For the record I have seen Big Trouble in Little China. I think it's a fun romp but I'm not a HUGE fan or anything.

In terms of execution maybe, in terms of premise no way.

Seanchan posted...

Back then people only showed up for the big iconic superheroes. No one gave/gives a fuck about League or Van Helsing or Morbius. Batman and Robin didnt do amazing at the box office but it was still top 10 for that year because its Batman.

Its really only with (or maybe within) the MCU that the non-A list heroes have found success. And a lot of that has to do with the good will and great narrative interweaving of the Infinity War saga. We shall see how long Marvel is able to continue that forward.

Yes, Aquaman was a huge flop I know.

Leonhart4 posted...

By Peter being challenged, of course

(But he can't follow up on his thoughts because they aren't his thoughts)

I REALLY should have elaborated on this better, I was more just giving general thoughts. One example of that in the movie is Aunt May daring Peter to help the supervillains be better people and avoid their canon deaths and the consequences brought forth as a result.

colliding posted...

The most infuriating thing about your posts is that you make claims at the beginning that you never follow up on. How do Marvel Movies display ambition "in other ways?" Follow up on your thesis

I did follow up in that very post, mostly by pointing out that audiences won't just go to see any comic book movies no matter how crap they are like say Batman & Robin or Morbius, and how the previous closest attempts at making massive crossover events in the vein of The Avengers like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Van Helsing weren't anywhere near as big. I also specifically pointed out that there is artistry in realizing comic book characters like Batman, Iron Man, and Captain America on the big screen and properly characterizing them.

Half my concern is how are Marvel movies any less cinema than, say, Jurassic Park?

Fair. I just kept thinking about this and realized another dimension, whereas previously I was mostly defending the MCU in terms of subject matter.

You jest but TBH I honestly hate the idea of the game being primarily known for "destroying Samus's character" more than the game itself. Albeit mostly because the plot is such an unholy mess anyways, and it's still understandable if regrettable.