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Your logic is Russia wishes to expand. Mine is they want their territories back that are on their border now, maybe more down the line. Namely Belarus , Georgia , and ukraine.

We let the Soviet union do what it was doing before , what's the difference now? Is that something we have to get involved with , and do we get involved everytime something u just happens? Further I specifically said Joe was doing a good job , along with Trump , of sending weapons and support. Where the fuck is the Putin support?

Your name is ooger. This was over before it started

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I'm not mad , I can just tell you're petty and get off on marking people

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If Russia is just taking countries , then they are bound to move on to NATO countries because they are surrounded by them and "Biden is weak". Or if we let Ukraine in like some are advocating. Is your solution to just let everyone in NATO and have more war guarantees?

So you said , if they are in NATO they are safe. What keeps them safe , the threat that the US will go to war. So you better be ready to fight if you think all those things together with NATO expansion isn't really a big deal.

Oh yea , Conflict probably marked that so hard he broke his finger

WingsOfGood posted...

"PuTiN hAs LeGiTiMaTe ReAsOnS tO bE sCaReD oF NaTo!"

That is defending Russia. If your argument is Putin sees it a different way, well buddy that means Putin is very stupid and should be removed from office.

Also your comment about the Cold War never ending is very Putin-revisionist.
You only say this because Putin had tried to interfere with a USA election and now is doing what he is doing now.

But...why would a guy NOT defending Putin be spouting Putin bullet points and wanting people to see through Putin's eyes?

sus

This is just getting stupid , I thought we moved past the petty, sarcastic mockery. If you don't think anything I say has merit , fine , no reason to talk with you.

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Then be ready to go to war with a nuclear power. I expect to see you on the front lines. You want to stop Putin so bad , go do it. We never stopped the Soviets when they grabbed everything before but now we're gonna start world war 3 , ok. Because that's what NATO guarantees , that's how the previous world wars started .

WingsOfGood posted...

It was. He may have recently restarted it however. That is on him though.

For example, why do you think freezing Oligarch assets in USA and Europe is even a thing? It is because there is no Cold War or these countries wouldn't even think about letting stuff like that happen. Similar, lots of Americans invested quite a bit into Russia as well.

"We are at war with this other country but it is ok to let them buy up properties and install business in our country."
That is illogical. Think harder about the propaganda you read.

Deals like this for instance had existed until just a few days ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/business/economy/russia-trade-status-us.html

This post tells me you don't understand how a cold war works. You think just because we do business , we are friends? That's a frenemy situation. And Russia's actions make it obvious the cold war was not over to them , and it probably won't be for a very long time. I wonder if pushing our victorious NATO forces into their territory had anything to do with their sour grapes

COVxy posted...

Keith defending Russia and his favorite Russian puppets. Must be a day that ends in y.

There's nothing I've said that defends Russia. I thought you were smarter than the typical reactionary

Unless you're offended by my comments on NATO expansion , which if you like I can direct you to the foreign policy experts whose articles I read to come to that view?

I haven't said one word praising Russia , praising Putin , downplaying the violence , or excusing it. I gave my take on why it happened and how it could have been avoided

Funkydog posted...

That would be a more extreme punishment if the teams refuse to do anything about their fans, not a first thing. I know in football (soccer) teams are forced to play without fans when they don't do enough to combat racist fans, and I'd support it in cases of general abuse as well - with extra steps if they don't eject and ban their abusive fans.

People aren't going to change without being made to, because as you say there will always be some shitty people. But if you force sports teams to keep getting rid of them then eventually they will either all be gone, or will keep quiet.

Yes, I am that naive. But I'd rather at least something is tried to be done, even if it won't end it entirely.

Imagine someone like this having power , oh my god. Bidens America

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hockeybub89 posted...

Why do people need to feel bad? What does society gain?

You guys need to be the change you want to see in the world , like Gandhi said. From now on you will not talk shit to other users or call people names , because that apparently really upsets you. Otherwise your whining would seem empty and hypocritical and I know you don't want that.

You're ignoring the fact that during their initial Soviet expansion we didn't go to war because he took Hungary or any of those other countries. So why should we now?

And I don't think the "cold war" is over to Putin. Do you? It only ended because they collapsed.

NATO offers war guarantees. So all these people cheering for us to allow Ukraine to join NATO , if we do that and Russia acts up , now we have to go to war. That's why Trump was saying NATO needs to be reevaluated. Relying on NATO also lulled Europe into their current state where they are unable to defend themselves because they expect us to kick everyone ass.

Funkydog posted...

Or we could hold the shitty people accountable instead, and the sports team until they can contain their fans.

Banning fans from games, automatic losses of matches etc - the same as racism is starting to be treated in some sports.

No reason to accept it just because some shitty people are shitty. The shitty people should be told to go fuck themselves.

Man what a maniac. Just suck the soul out of everything so no one ever feels bad , what a bunch of bullshit .

She should have hopped on the mic and told the heckler to kiss her fat juicy ass , would have been legendary.

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In the words of you people , abuse is abuse . Is it not? But the heckler is really bad , however you talking shit online all day is just educational for morons. God's work really

He made a YouTube video about what an Asian badass he is . It's really old

hockeybub89 posted...

It must have been so sad for your parents to raise a child born without a heart. Or maybe it's their fault and my condolences are with you.

Why are you acting high and mighty , you talk shit to people all the time

Biggy lived the life Tupac wanted to represent. Biggy was a dealer and a thug , Tupac went to Julliard.

Imo Biggy was more legit but Tupac's music was better. But that lyric biggy said always annoyed me "this is for all you that called the cops on me while I was trying to feed my daughter"

That's such bullshit. You Wana sell drugs and make easy money , that's on you. But don't act like you had no choice or it's noble to poison your community. What's that on your wrist , a gold watch? All for your daughter huh? Yea right

People who "abuse" others online whining about some bimbo abusing Osaka.

Libs - fuck the police

*City descends into chaos* why aren't the police doing anything!

Just another example of Dumbledore making bad decisions and putting children in danger!

Equality in action.

That bandanna tied on the side like Tupac , and then he gets destroyed and is flopping all over the court. Beautiful

Good question.

Damn I'd like to get to know her better and see if we share interests. Know what I'm saying?

** Those buttons are holding on for dear life

ComfortablySad posted...

1993.

Kurt was still with us.

Do you think Courtney Love had anything to do with driving Kurt to suicide? Jc

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Drugs do be unlocking glimpses into other realities

At this point I'd date a dog walker , a female bricklayer , a massage therapist , I don't give a shit

K181 posted...

It certainly belongs up there.

That was VIII.

Of course I know that dude , I was responding to what unfair said

Their intelligence comes from the creator. They will say , I was just sitting there farting and it came to me , VCR technology.

Nah man , you were divinely inspired because the world was ready for that.

That poor girl missed out on some serious pleasure!

kingdrake2 posted...

he deserves to go to the slammer. everyone had a choice not to do what they did.
but he doesn't deserve to get the rails beaten off his ass while in prison.

He's black , he was on Empire , he's wealthy , and he was trying to frame MAGAs. He will be just dandy , that's a solid charge

He will prolly come out of this with street cred and some good stories . Lots of people will want to be his friend.

I had a crush on Rinoa so , that was part of it.

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Looks like you got bodied by Goats on the sub too

Lock her up imo

Chrono Cross was better imo. So were 7 and 8.

Tyranthraxus posted...

By the way everyone still advocating for people to get the sentence that the accused would have gotten, thought you should know Amy Cooper had her charges dropped.

Haven't heard much outcry about that, though.

Was that the bitch who called the cops on the bird watcher, and she was choking her dog?

DanHaren2022 posted...

They're happy cuz they know they can't accomplish anything so they convince themselves that the only thing that matters in life is video games and anime. When they lower their standards just to meet the standards you know it's a fake happiness.

Damn! He's shootin hard

Absolutely , as long as she was skinny and had that super soaker

I'd prefer that actually , when you have a very pretty girlfriend lots of people screw with you or stare at you

He's a shitty person , he deserves his prison time , he will be fine and popular in there , and his career will bounce back.

Only if they take up too much of your life. Even wildly rich and famous people enjoy a little gaming sometimes

I love scallops

None of Russias business if Ukraine enters NATO xD . Considering it's on their border and Putin thinks Russians and Ukrainians are the same , I can think of few things he would consider More his business.

I'm genuinely surprised at how many people don't think NATO is an antagonizing entity to Putin. He's said it himself so many times.

Think of it from a nuclear angle. Like we were talking about Cuba , let's go to the bay of pigs incident. The US didn't want Russian influence in our hemisphere , and didn't want missile and troop bases in Cuba. We didn't just act like it was no big deal because Cuba wasn't going to invade us anyways. Likewise acting like Russia should be totally fine with being pressed by American allied countries that we install missiles and troops in is Naive.

In their eyes , it's still partially a cold war. They still are competing with us , they still think of us as somewhat of an enemy or adversary at least. The mistake I see in some posters logic is they don't understand how seriously Russia takes itself and how much they don't trust us.

hockeybub89 posted...

Shut the fuck up and stop trying to tell us to view an issue from Hitler Jr's side.

Putin can take his feelings and shove them up his ass.

Real tough.

WingsOfGood posted...

Correct. The cause of this is Putin wants to take over these territories and he has vocalized that many times.
He is on record saying Ukraine is not legitimate.
NATO exists solely to prevent invasion.
If he wasn't planning invasion, he has 0 reason to care that NATO exists.

Also your link shows article saying the same, that NATO is not the reason for all this.

Fyi, Crimea was found to have loads of oil. Right after this Russia took it. Think about that if you are as objective as you claim.

NATO does more than that. Saying "Putin shouldn't care" is kinda silly and irrelevant. Because he does care.

Good point about the oil on Crimea, I didn't know that.

Think about how we look. We invade Korea , Vietnam , topple governments around the world , Iraq and Afghanistan , Libya , and Yemen we support wars etc. Then we turn up our nose at Putin and act like we are this great moral country. Think about the hypocrisy

Robot2600 posted...

Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame.

Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense.

Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life.

I said NATO is partially responsible , executing the war is 100% Putins fault. I thought I made that clear

I don't sound like a tanky. Sun Tzu said , understand your enemy. So I try to understand.

Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of *** a lot of this? You think Putin is just snatching up countries and he's gonna try to take over the world? Really? He can't even handle Ukraine , this is a massive embarrassment and he looks impotent and weak.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/7/6/AAZssKAADBbU.jpg
That's the NY times and npr ffs

Robot2600 posted...

Nah bruh you sound like a tanky. Yes Putin is literally supposed to just "sit there" while other countries do whatever we want.

No one was going to invade Russia, you know that, literally everyone in the world knows that.

Ahh. So you think a former superpower with nukes is just going to be ordered around like a bitch. So you know nothing about Russia , got it

It's not about invading Russia , it's strategically moving troops and missiles into their zone of influence so if they ever try anything , we can destroy them. This is just insane btw someone calling me a tanky , I'm one of the most outspoken anti communists on this damn board. A lot of you guys are new , you don't know that because I was gone for two years.

WingsOfGood posted...

Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia.
Is this your belief?
If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries?

I don't know anything about Russian Propaganda, I know they hate us fucking around on their sphere and it pisses them off. That's why I said we should have handled them differently after the Soviet union collapsed, like the way we rebuilt Germany after WW2.

hockeybub89 posted...

Why don't you move to Russia and suck Putin's dick harder?

Why don't you make a topic about going to war with them , then back down when everyone tells you how stupid and childish it is. Oh wait , you already did that

WingsOfGood posted...

You can't say this when you literally word for word regurgitate the Russian propaganda that NATO had been threatening them and forced them to invade.
Which you DID say:

You say you don't like Russia. Say no one should prevent Russia from invading countries around them which is the only reason NATO even exists.
Even despite Russia proving that NATO reason to exist is fair because they just invaded a country.

sus

You keep exaggerating and putting words in my mouth and it's annoying. Are you saying NATO hasnt been crowding in on Russia? What would you do if you were Putin , sit there and take it?

This is why Trump went over and blasted NATO and told other countries they had to pay their fair share. At the same time he warned about Europe's dependency on Russian energy being a security threat. And he was laughed at , now he is being proven correct.

I don't know who you are , but I guarantee no one on this fuckin board has ever seen sit around and root for Russia. And trying to understand things from their side is common sense , all the people being threatened by it , that's a joke and reduces the complexity of the issues to black and white.