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OP good for you for trying to become educated on transgender issues etc. Let me know if you wanna chat about it and I can answer any questions

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Lord_Wombat posted...

Imagine actually taking this troll topic seriously...

Interesting that when someone sees transphobia and decides to point it out, it's either consciously or subconsciously dismissed as trolling. It's inconceivable that someone would want to discuss it seriously.


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BdubBobsleb posted...

Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody?

just admit you hate trans people. You already said you dont want them to exist. Youre not even hiding it at this point.

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BdubBobsleb posted...

Do you think gender dysphoria is something anybody wants to have? Would you force it on somebody?

No, gender dysphoria sucks.

but why did you say so that nobody has to be transgender.?

HAS TO be.

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BdubBobsleb posted...

A better option than equality would be to eliminate gender dysphoria so that nobody has to be transgender.

Are you saying in an ideal world, trans people wouldnt exist?

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Bump

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Probably

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radical rhino posted...

A lot of pro-transgender people on the internet are so self-righteous, and believe that their opinions are settled fact.

whats your opinion? That transphobia shouldnt be pointed out? Does it make you uncomfortable?

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YourDrunkFather posted...

It means youre preachy and self righteous. Is it really that hard to figure out?

Are you uncomfortable that Im talking about how transphobic CE is for the most part?

Interesting that you choose to attack me for pointing this out.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

This is just disingenuous, come on

no it isnt. Let me explain. Everyone has many identities. A lot of people dont think about them because they dont have to, whether theyre straight, Cis, or whatever. Society is built for them and they dont have to even think about it.

For gay people, trans people, other minorities, their identity is often very important to them. A lot of them would love to not have to think about it too, but when they go into the world and are harassed for being gay, killed for being trans, etc, they are forced to think about it. Still, others love their identity and celebrate it.

A persons name is an identity that would be important for most people.


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YourDrunkFather posted...

I guess were just not as righteous as you tc.

what does this mean? That youre transphobic but ok with it? Im confused

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Other people identify me as cis. I don't need to identify as anything.

I take it you dont have a name them? Thats an identity

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trappedunderice posted...

This has been going on for days, TC is a joke, pretending to suddenly care about this stuff during pride month but it's all a pathetic gimmick. He's been called out by multiple users for previous behavior. Virtually all of his recent threads have been controversial trans and homophobic bait threads. Ignore him and move along.

It makes sense that if I call out CE for being transphobic, people will get upset and try to invalidate me. Doesn't change the fact that CE is transphobic by and large. Go off sis

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

If I ask you what an identity is, and your response is "who or what" then you're making them synonymous. It doesnt "literally" say that but it does functionally.

I'm trying to convey that if you say identity is the fact of a who, then you are just saying the fact of a who is identity. There would be no functional difference there. Also it leads to the suggestion that there are who's and what's that dont have facts tied to them, and are still positive assertions

If you are willing to quote the definition in its entirety, I would be willing to discuss that definition. If you're going to just take one or two words of the definition, and claim it's the same definition, then no. It changes it. I'm not going to debate your amended definition, because it doesn't just say "who or what". There are words following that which change the definition.

Even so, is there a definition of identity you prefer?

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voldothegr8 posted...

There is a term for what you describe, straight

Straight is something else.

Being straight is being exclusively attracted to someone of the opposite gender, which has nothing to do with whether a person is cis or trans.

You could be cis, and be straight, bi, gay, etc.
You could be trans, and be straight, bi, gay, etc.

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greencheek posted...

i have no privilege lmfao

https://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/how-privileged-are-you


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masticatingman posted...

I agree with other posters that cis is mostly a pointless term.

"cis" is a term to describe someone whose gender matches the sex they were born as, so it makes sense to have a term to define that. We use language to definite terms in order to use them in communication, and if this is a phenomenon that exists, it makes sense to have a term for it.

masticatingman posted...

Whats the point of plainly identifying as cis male or female while you have some non-binary folks who will use the pronoun they to describe themselves to the point that the person in question is cagey about saying what sex they were born as.

What person in question? The non-binary person or the cis person?

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greencheek posted...

i don't identify as anything, i'm just me

You have lots of identities, you're just privileged enough to not have to think of them.


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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Sure. But it's saying an identity is the fact of an identity

no it literally doesn't

MedeaLysistrata posted...

, as if there can be an identity without a fact attached to it. I disagree that that is actually the case
And if there can be no identity without a fact to it, then it would just be a simple fact, not a fact of identity

I have no idea what you're trying to convey with this

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Eh, that's kinda the thing. Cis is a term for other people, who care about that kind of thing, to use on me. I can use it to describe myself within a given context, but it's not something I ever associate with "myself".

As a cis person, you have the privilege of not having to think about it. That doesn't mean the label doesn't accurately describe you (assuming your gender identity matches your assigned sex at birth)

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

It says "being" and "is"

So on that score it is not an essentialist definition.

If who or what a person is isnt their identity, then what is identity? It certainly is circular

Circular would be saying "an identity is a person's identity"
Saying "An identity is a fact of being about who or what a person it" is a definition.

"Who or what a person is", is so closely related to the idea of "identity" that you inherently took it to mean the exact same thing. That means it's a terrific definition.


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Someone doesn't even have to transition at all to be transgender. It can just be a feeling the person has but chooses not to transition for whatever reason. You can never truly know if someone who appears cis-gendered is transgender.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Also says an identity is the fact of an identity

no it doesen't

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Okay... so... surgery isnt the defining thing? It can be a social transition instead?

Exactly. Someone is transgender when their gender doesn't match up with their assigned sex at birth. This can cause the person to feel distressed when referred to by the incorrect pronouns, being viewed as the wrong gender by society, having to live life as the wrong gender, not being accepted by their parents, etc. They might choose to socially transition or medically transition. Medically transitioning can include various types of surgeries (top surgery, bottom surgery, facial surgeries), or going on hormones (testosterone, estrogen, etc). Here is a great article to read too:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/5/13/17938114/transgender-people-transitioning-surgery-medical

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MabusIncarnate posted...

pretending to suddenly care about this stuff during pride month

I happened to revisit CE after years of not posting, during June and posted about LGBT issues because it's important and interesting to me.

You're trying to invalidate what I'm saying for some reason, and you should be ashamed.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

TC is a bigot.

How?

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MabusIncarnate posted...

This has been going on for days, TC is a joke, pretending to suddenly care about this stuff during pride month but it's all a pathetic gimmick. He's been called out by multiple users for previous behavior. Virtually all of his recent threads have been controversial trans and homophobic bait threads. Ignore him and move along.

This user is trying to silence me for calling out negative and harmful views towards the LGBT community. For the record, I've been a vocal ally for years.

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I'm disappoint, but not surprised.



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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Isnt transgendering without actual surgery just cross dressing?

transitioning* Transgendering isn't a word.

Cross dressing is just wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but socially transitioning involves living as the gender you identify as, which can include voice therapy, learning new mannerisms, all sorts of things. I appreciate your open-mindedness to learning more about this topic.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

I don't really see those two examples as the same thing. I wouldn't say you could identify yourself as an African American, since that's some concrete and factual. Though, a person would be able to identify their own sexuality, because that's something fluid; it could change over develop over time. I suppose you could make the argument that someone who says they're cis might later decide they're not, but at both points in time I'd label those as concrete things.

I don't care to argue semantics anyway, so I'll just leave my explanation at that.

You're mistaken about what an identity is, but ok.

for anyone else who's confused about the definition of identity:



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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

You did. The word identify implies a choice.

No it doesn't. You can identify as African American for instance, can you not? That's not a choice.

You can identify as gay, straight, bi, trans,etc. Not a choice either..

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I don't "identify" as anything because that's fucking stupid lol

Watch out, internet tough guy here. Doesn't believe in identities.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

You can't choose to identify as cis.

Who said anything about a choice? You're cis or you're not


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topic

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Lairen posted...

If i had 2 choices id have $200,000.

You must really hate trans people.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Trans people should not need justification for simply existing. Breaking and redefining what gender actually is is what needs to happen if it's anything even close to equality is to become anything more than a pipe dream.

The more I see the US tear itself apart by ideologies, the more I question whether equality, as a concept exists or is even obtainable. It should be the ideal and should be the goal, no doubt but here isn't even equality among men and women. Trans people have a very tough road ahead and often times, sadly, they don't even have the support of their gay, bi, queer and lesbian comrades.

well said


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Of course I would accept them

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Topic

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Wii_Shaker posted...

I was actually pretty excited for pride this year. I was going to wear something really skimpy and enjoy the parade and festivities but then Covid-19 and the protests went down. I'm not sure if there's even going to be a parade or festivities now :(

I'm sorry :< there's always next year

I've never celebrated pride =0

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Wii_Shaker posted...

I was expecting a man-thong or jockstrap for some reason. Eh, maybe I'm just a pervert.

hahahah Maybe I'll get those too XD

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But it's too expensive :<


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HerbSaunders posted...

You have an odd definition for a group.

But I'll humor you and say, people are soured towards those who gather together to promote the movement in the most inflammatory way possible, while coordinating their outfits and appearing as a group. Thus putting themselves out there as the prime champions of the movement.

Whoever those guys are.

Some protesters do coordinate what they wear. Others don't.

Some people who oppose fascism (antifa) don't even attend protests.

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It's interesting that you talk about the perfect girl in terms of physical appearance and money, inheritance, etc. but you don't mention anything about personality.

Almost like it would have no bearing.

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no, people change too much at that age for me to want to settle down with someone that young


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Kastrada posted...

Pretty sure that user is doing exactly what Pride is about.

attacking people? got it.

Anyway, what's everyone buying for pride month?

I'm about to buy some flags, buttons, shot glasses, etc

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shnangyboos posted...

I guess we all have to pretend along that when people refer to antifa, they aren't talking about the masked assholes in the streets, but the very concept of being against fascism.

That IS what it means. Of all the people I know who are antifa (anti-fascist), some protest, some don't, none are violent as far as I know.

It's okay to admit you were wrong about the definition.

It's not a group.

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HerbSaunders posted...

Ideally both groups/movements/mobilizations being taken out would be best for our country. But since there's not a third more desirable group to perform such an action, I have to settle for watching one side beat the shit out of the other. Because lord knows the other side won't ever equalize it with the heat they're packing.

They'll just irritate more and more people and add to the ranks of their opposition.

Crazy how a group that's not a group can do such a thing.

Just so we're clear, you're talking about fascists, and people who oppose them.

And that you're happy *both* sides are getting beaten up. Including the people who oppose the fascists.


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Nazanir posted...

This whole antifa thing is bullshit.

There are fighting a non-existant enemy. But they do so by pissing other people off in the worst way, treating people differently based on the colour of their skin and calling everyone neo nazis that have different politcal views.

Eventually people will puah back. Anitfa will feel validated, and they get the fight they were looking for and increase their efforts in fighting this now actually made enemy, increasing the lusback further.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Non existent enemy? Are you blind? There's a huge white nationalist presence in this country. Take a look at our president.

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HerbSaunders posted...

Then what do you call those lame groups of soy boys and lesbians who get their asses kicked everytime they mobilize against alt-right groups?

It sounds like they oppose fascism so they would be antifa too. Are you suggesting everyone who opposes fascism is a *** *** or lesbian?


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BettyWhite posted...

You'll keep this topic going for a while with this troll technique.

Who's trolling? Antifa is the broad viewpoint of opposing fascism. It's not an organization

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