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I've never seen Raising Hope.
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LinkPizza posted...

Just so we're all clear, black people can like Marvel because they like Marvel. Not all black people just went to see it because most of the cast in black. Just wanna make sure everyone knows that...

Yeah, I think everyone understands that not all black people on the planet are holding Black Panther up as a significant cultural moment in black media representation.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

I'm not black. Do you mean "you" in a general sense there?

How is Disney manipulating anyone? People can assign their own emotions to something without being told how to feel by a corporation. You're arguing over a non-issue and making it into an issue because "reasons."

???
Are you trying to bring up the "you people" thing? I wasn't directing that sentence at you, it's referring to people who assigned meaning to a product Disney told them to assign to it as a means of manipulating them into supporting their product.

That's why I'm saying it's no different than Ghostbusters 2016.

No, not "you people" lmao I'm worried if you meant "you" as in me specifically in that sentence as in I am being manipulated or you meant "you" as a general "you" - "they are allowing themselves to be manipulated." Because I'm not black and this movie didn't have cultural significance to me. That's why I said that.

But Disney didn't market the movie as a black culture icon. People adapted that themselves with their own emotions and ideals.

I don't really think women were holding Ghostbusters 2016 up on a pedestal for women's rights at all. In fact, a lot of people were utterly TRASHING the film because of the all female adjustment to the cast. It's really not similar at all.
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Moonjay posted...

Pit bulls are adorable, dammit.

People defend them because they're not all vicious. Some of the sweetest, smartest, most gentle dogs I've ever met were pitbulls. I blame the parents most of the time. :P

Anyone with common sense understands that pitbulls aren't necessarily more vicious than any other breed. To the contrary, there are a lot of breeds with a higher instance of biting than a pitbull. The issue is that no one cares if a chihuahua bites 100 different people because outside of rare bites it's not going to injure you to any significant degree. With dogs like pitbulls, dobermans, rottweilers, etc... their bites have a huge impact because of strength and some of them do not bite and release. Pitbulls also have bad pack mentality so if there is more than one they will all attack. And they attack to kill. And sometimes you can't get them to release their jaws until the dog is dead or injured. That's a huge deal. Any dog breed is unpredictable and can bite at any time no matter how nice and calm it is.
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I'm not black. Do you mean "you" in a general sense there?

How is Disney manipulating anyone? People can assign their own emotions to something without being told how to feel by a corporation. You're arguing over a non-issue and making it into an issue because "reasons."
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

lol wat

My genes are veerry UK, my lineage only spreads as far as west Germany if you look hard enough, I'm distinctly English/European, yet I enjoy Japanese products where I'm not represented at all.

My bad I thought you were implying you are Asian watching predominantly Asian movies but don't care? Idk what your point was then. You're a white guy who watches Asian movies so you should know how black people should feel about this film? Unclear.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Because it's an "Us vs Them" mentality, people are defining themselves by their colour over their social group. Rather than supporting Americans supporting America in film, they prioritise black people from anywhere else despite sharing nothing but colour.

Colour doesn't matter, that's why it's important to stop putting importance on it, and demonise those who bring it up. If you prioritise a race you get the mindset of racial superiority, if you denegrate a race you get a mindset of racial inferiority, if you leave it alone then it won't influence anything.

Um. No. It's a "omg we finally are represented in a film to a degree that we find empowering and not embarrassing or entirely absent. Woo!" you're assigning a negative connotation to it because... I'm not sure? It hurts your feelings black people are excited? Or what? I'm not sure.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Race is an issue to racists, do you want to side with racists?

Lmao and we're done here. I know you like being inflammatory for the sake of argument but that's just pathetic.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

What does it matter if Disney meant to make it culturally important or not? Lmao that doesn't affect how people will personally be affected by a film.

People can choose to feel like the film is politically important, but it doesn't change that Disney is just intentionally using these people for profit.

It's the same nonsense of Disney putting an anti capitalist "rich people are evil and play both sides to profit" message in The Last Jedi when that ironically is just describing Disney itself.

Does anyone think Disney isn't out for a profit? There's Marvel overload going on with how much they're whoring out these films.

Disney's motives have nothing to do with how someone wants to perceive a film personally and it literally doesn't affect you.
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No idea but they are so dangerous just like any large dog breed. When they attack they shoot to kill. Rarely bite and release from pit bulls on my experience at work.
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I like the show when I watch it but I haven't seen a lot. I did start it on Hulu though.
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I'm not sure I've never watched enough Malcolm in the Middle to know who that is.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

i mean it was obviously meaningful to a lot of black people if you've looked at photos from opening night. some people even dressed up in semi-traditional african clothing just to view the movie.

And tons of people did go see Ghostbusters 2016 because they believed it to be meaningful for women, not enough for them to profit off of the movie, but people went for that reason.

Disney does not care about black rights, or specifically black representation, they are just using the people who do to make more money off of their movie.

Funnily enough, someone made a petition asking Disney to put their money where their mouth is, asking Disney to donate a portion of Black Panther's profits into charity for black communities, if they apparently care so much about black people (nothing is going to come out of it of course, as if an online petition ever changed anything).

What does it matter if Disney meant to make it culturally important or not? Lmao that doesn't affect how people will personally be affected by a film.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I really don't care, I watch Japanese films all the time, the cast is exclusively asian and idgaf.

Okay but you're an Asian in England so the context behind why black people are really enjoying film representation in America has nothing to do with you or your personal experiences.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It absolutely is, it's divisive. People wanting to see more white guys are rightly pointed out as racists, why is it not applicable when they're black? Because poor oppressed you? That's extremely patronising.

How is it racist to be excited for representation in a major motion film? It's not divisive. You're trying to make it divisive.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

No, race is a non-issue. If attention is brought to it then people will assume it means anything other than aesthetics, if you leave it alone then there's no reason to think it makes any difference.

Maybe race is a non-issue to you but you don't speak for anyone besides yourself.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

It's not just that website, the media, reviewers included, are being very biased in favor of Black Panther because they are pushing a, somewhat silly, political agenda of it somehow being meaningful for black people.

Black Panther is about as meaningful for black people as Ghostbusters 2016 was meaningful for women.

i mean it was obviously meaningful to a lot of black people if you've looked at photos from opening night. some people even dressed up in semi-traditional african clothing just to view the movie.
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70 is the speed limit on most highways where i live so i regularly drive 75+ mph.
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black pantera? sounds metal.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

i mean there's nothing negative about saying more black people went to see this movie because it had a majority black cast, took place in Africa and portrays black people in a positive light.

Apart from saying black people are racially motivated, which isn't a great trait for anybody.

everyone likes seeing people like themselves represented in a major motion picture. seeing a movie purely because you want to see your race represented isn't a negative trait lmao it's a non-issue.
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my personal preference is that but i've already stated several times that's not realistic and that isn't really the focus of stricter gun control. no one serious is advocating to take away all guns. that's a boogey man.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Oh. So it's a race thing? Huh.

i suppose. i'm way more geeky, comic-book, video game guy, moreso than being very political. so i guess the race of the character didn't necessarily occur to me it being a factor, ok?

That is really the way it is looking, that people are coming out and seeing it because the previews makes it look cool.

Seems like the media is trying to play the black-white game again.

black-white game? i mean there's nothing negative about saying more black people went to see this movie because it had a majority black cast, took place in Africa and portrays black people in a positive light.
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EvilMegas posted...

Jeez, man. She aint wrong.

he just doesn't like foxx
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I haven't talked to my grandmother on the phone in maybe 8 years.
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BeerOnTap posted...

Very mature debating there Jen.

What is immature about saying that's not factual? You can easily look up any of the other countries with stricter gun control laws and see that they have lower gun deaths.

I mean, I'm not going to debate with people on here about it. You can easily google and look up statistics. No one here is interested in actually being educated so it's pointless to waste my time.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Nice. Is it for depression?

Anxiety. Not sure if these things work or it's a placebo effect but providing it's stops the symptoms I don't care.

Yeah as long as it helps that's really all that matters.

Selenara posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Not really. She was a huge b**** the entire time I was growing up and I only see her once every few years.

How was she a b****?

Just verbally abusive and totally unloving.
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wwinterj25 posted...

My medication seems to be slowly kicking in so hopefully I'll see progress as the days pass.

Nice. Is it for depression?
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Ogurisama posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Yeah, people always call me daddy.

Harder daddy

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Selenara posted...

Are you going to regret not having a relationship with her when she passes away?

Not really. She was a huge bitch the entire time I was growing up and I only see her once every few years.
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Greenfox111 posted...

i made some fried rice but its bland as hell

Ew that shit STANK
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she hasn't even talked to me in a year and hasn't wished me a happy birthday for several

so i don't really see the point

i feel kinda bad not doing it but i also don't care because i have like zero relationship with her

how is your wednesday going
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EvilMegas posted...

The only other Black super with enough acclaim to warrent his own movie right now is John Stewart (green lantern) and you can already aee the problem there.

lmao tru
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EvilMegas posted...

Yeah, 30 years...

lmao
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wwinterj25 posted...

EvilMegas posted...

http://worldofblackheroes.com/black-superheroes/

Interesting. I stand corrected then. Still I'm surprised we don't see many solo superhero films like the Black Panther based on the amount of choice they have.

we may now that they've shown having a majority black cast doesn't negatively affect turnout
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wwinterj25 posted...

That alone isn't the main reason it's doing well though. The main reason is marvel superhero films always do.

yeah, that's a given. ziggi's question was why it's seemingly doing better than the other ones. i think it's the additional audience that may not have normally watched the movie.
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wwinterj25 posted...

The black panther has always been African and Marvel films never have any trouble at the box office so. Still you have a point. I can't think of any other superheros/villains that are black save for Black Adam, Spider-Man and Blade(if you count that).

it's not because the superhero alone is black, it's the entire movie. it's the cast, it's the setting, it's the fact that africans are actually the strongest/wealthiest culture via wakanda in this universe. they're not being relegated to stereotypes or tropes.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Oh. So it's a race thing? Huh.

i feel like it's pretty obvious. if you think about it, black people don't have a ton of movies where they are the predominant race of the cast unless it's those tyler perry movies or those wayans brothers satire movies.

they've NEVER had a movie with a superhero where the superhero was black and so was most of the cast. other races are so underrepresented in american produced movies so when a different race makes up the majority of the cast that race tends to go see that movie in larger numbers even if they aren't usually the target audience due to other demographics or interests.
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Probably because on top of already being guaranteed Marvel numbers the fact that it had a predominantly black cast where they were the heroes instead of the villains drew in a potentially larger than average black audience for that type of film.

Is that really hard to understand or are you trying to act like it's wrong? Not sure the intention of this topic.
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I haven't watched since season 5 I think :/
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Effective gun control isn't a punishment.

Laws are inherently punishing to those they effect, and the only control effective enough to get a result you'd call effective is near complete disarmament.

Not all laws are designed to punish. Regulations aren't punishments. Just because there are consequences for breaking laws doesn't mean a law is a punishment. Breaking a law is a crime and crimes have punishments.
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Effective gun control isn't a punishment.
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