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FrisbeeDude posted...

all it took was a national public outcry, including statements from multiple celebrities, a senator, a presidential candidate and the governor in the state where it happened.

That's what it took for a crime so egregiously committed against a black man to be actually prosecuted...

Disappointing they gave in to misinformed (purposely by much of the press) mob rule. Based on what is known about the case, and the video, these guys adhered to the law. Much of the evidence is on their side so I doubt they'll be convicted. But if they are hopefully Trump pardons them.

It's clear in the video that Arbery initiated the attack and while attempting to wrestle the firearm away, was shot either by accident or in self-defense. Let me ask you all, what do you think Arbery was planning on doing with the shotgun if he had snatched it away?

https://newsone.com/3933484/citizens-arrest-law-defend-white-man-accused-of-killing-ahmaud-arbery/

Despite Barnhill distancing himself from the case, he wrote in his letter to the police that McMichael and his son had been legally carrying their weapons under Georgia law and because Arbery was a burglary suspect, they had solid firsthand probable cause to chase Arbery under the states citizens arrest law.

In another document, Mr. Barnhill said that video exists of Mr. Arbery burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation. In the letter to the cops, he lists a separate video of the shooting recorded by a third pursuer. Mr. Barnhill said this video, which has not been released to the public yet, shows Mr. Arbery attacking Travis McMichael after he and his father pulled up to him in their truck. Barnhill said the clip shows Arbery trying to take the shotgun from Travis McMichaels hands and this action, Barnhill argued, warranted self-defense under Georgia law. Travis McMichael, Barnhill said, was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.

Newsone's source is the New York Times article but NYT has a paywall that's why I'm using this link if you're wondering

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Bishop9800 posted...

Funbazooka defending racist shithead who shot a black male for no reason....

Just another day on CE

Do you have any evidence for these claims? Because I've provided the facts, I've cited what they know about the case thus far.

Is it possible that you are wrong here?

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lolife67 posted...

Yes but hey didn't see him actually breaking in anywhere. They didn't witness the actual crime they're claiming they chased him for so it wasn't a citizens arrest.

Oh, and there was only 1 break in reported, btw.

Citation needed... Who says they definitively DID NOT see him breaking in anywhere?

The police report would indicate they did see him breaking and entering on surveillance video.
-caught on surveillance video
-the suspect from the break-ins

McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive.

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lolife67 posted...

They saw him snooping around, allegedly. That's NOT a criminal act.

From the police report

McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive.

The suspect from the break-ins

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lolife67 posted...

ONLY if the person attempting the citizen arrest sees him in the act of committing a crime. They didn't see him committing any crime.

They did, if they saw him committing a crime on surveillance video. Citizen arrest is also legal if it is "within his immediate knowledge" they committed a crime. D.A. said they had solid first hand probable cause.

Georgia law:
OCGA 17-4-60 "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

lolife67 posted...

Which, even if true, isn't a crime.

Trespassing?

lolife67 posted...

All completely irrelevant to this case, even if they had known about that.

I said they weren't aware of his criminal record. But if this goes to trial, it's going to be very relevant.

lolife67 posted...

Again, that's not a crime and they had no lawful reason to follow him or attempt to detain him. Period.

No one said reaching down in your pants is a crime but it led them to believe he may have been armed. District Attorney determined it was lawful, in reference to the law, the evidence, the circumstances.

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Another point is that Arbery is reported to have lived in the city of Brunswick. But the shooting happened in Satilla Shores, specifically at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd. If you look on a map, the shortest route from Brunswick, GA to Holmes RD is 9.1 miles. This wasn't the neighborhood Arbery lived in.

Police report confirms shooting happened at the intersection of Satilla and Holmes Rd.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

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sktgamer_13dude posted... What crime was committed? Jogging while black?

Just because they think hes the suspect doesnt mean they can take the law into their hands and chase someone with guns.

Citizen's arrest is legal in Georgia. There were break-ins, he was caught on surveillance video, according to them. Moments earlier before the shooting, another resident saw him lurking around in a house under construction. Not that these guys were aware of, but the suspect has a criminal record, a shop lifting conviction, violation of probation, and he had also taken a gun to a school basketball game. They'd seen him reaching down into his pants in such a way they were worried he was carrying a gun as well.

https://newsone.com/3933484/citizens-arrest-law-defend-white-man-accused-of-killing-ahmaud-arbery/

On the day of the shooting, supposedly moments before the chase, a resident of Satilla Shores dialed 911, telling the dispatcher that a Black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in. And hes running right now, the guy told the dispatcher. There he goes right now!

The former prosecutor, Barnhill, also brought up Arberys past record to the cops. Court documents show that he was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, Arbery was also indicted on accusations that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game, according to The Brunswick News.

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It's absolutely fine for them to escort her. I just don't see the necessity when you consider the massive protests happened a week ago. I guess it's more of a symbolic gesture than anything. And it does make for a great photo op.

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REVEALED: 66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME and NOT essential workers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8293417/66-New-York-coronavirus-hospitalizations-people-staying-HOME.html

The majority of people who are still being hospitalized with the coronavirus across the state of New York are staying at home and are not essential workers, new data has revealed, prompting the questions of whether or not lockdown even works or for how much longer it will be necessary.

In a study of some 1,000 new patients admitted to New York hospitals over the last week, 66 percent were staying at home and 18 percent had come from nursing homes, meaning they either became infected by going out to get groceries or other essential items, or from seeing people outside of work.

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Incident report
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

District Attorney's letter
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Some key points here, there's more there so check it out

It appears Travis McMIchael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William were following, in 'hot pursuit', a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal.

The angle of the shots and the video show this was from the beginning or almost immediately became-- a fight over the shotgun. Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself. Just as importantly, while we know McMichael had his finger on the trigger, we do not know who caused the firings. Arbery would only had to pull the shotgun approximately 1/16th to 1/8th of one inch to fire the weapon himself and in the height of an altercation this is entirely possible. Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggresive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.

McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go". McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 Magnum and Travis grabbed his shotgun because they "didn't know if the male was armed or not". McMichael stated, "the other night" they saw the same male and he stuck his hand down his pants which lead them to believe the male was armed.

OCGA 17-4-60 "A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

However, since we were initially requested to handle the case the victim's mother has clearly expressed she wants myself and my office off the case. She sees a conflict in that my son works in the Brunswick District Attorney's Office where Greg McMichael retired some time ago. She believes there are kinships between the parties [there are not[ and has made other unfounded allegations bias[es]. As such, I believe it is better for my office to step out and am going to recuse myself and the Assistants working for me from handling the case. I am contacting the Georgia Attorney General Office and seeking their assistance in finding another District Attorney in the State to handle the further 'evaluation for prosecution' in this case.

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Was there anyone even protesting there yesterday?

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

How long until funbazooka is suspended

:( *cries*

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Doom_Art posted...

i know you don't get this because you guys lack self awareness but this is a really creepy thing to say lol

It's no "creepier" than what Trump haters say about his administration.

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Looks like she still had to pay the $7k fine. The Governor made executive orders that confinement will not be punishment for this. So this is now the law of the land, in Texas.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52582945

On Thursday, Gov Abbott said in a news release: "Throwing Texans in jail who have had their businesses shut down through no fault of their own is nonsensical, and I will not allow it to happen."

"That is why I am modifying my executive orders to ensure confinement is not a punishment for violating an order. This order is retroactive to April 2nd, supersedes local orders and if correctly applied should free Shelley Luther."

What else did the governor say?

He said his updated order should also led to the release of Ana Isabel Castro-Garcia and Brenda Stephanie Mata, who were arrested in Laredo for allegedly selling cosmetic services from their homes.

He added: "As some county judges advocate for releasing hardened criminals from jail to prevent the spread of Covid-19, it is absurd to have these business owners take their place."

On Wednesday, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick tweeted that he would personally pay off Ms Luther's fine.
"7 days in jail, no bail and a $7K fine is outrageous," he wrote.

"No surprise Texans are responding. I'm covering the $7K fine she had to pay and I volunteer to be placed under House Arrest so she can go to work and feed her kids."

Also on Wednesday, Ms Luther receiving a show of support from former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who visited the salon on her way to Austin, Texas, to visit her daughter.

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